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Lolanae
06-28-2011, 06:55 PM
Someone needs to screenshot that thread.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 06:59 PM
maybe we could convince Jaz?
aufrog
06-28-2011, 06:59 PM
Someone needs to screenshot that thread.
:werd:
Lolanae
06-28-2011, 07:02 PM
I meant the totals thread. Possibly the super sekrit room, but I'd definitely not post that one.
The first half was paid to her. Now she's holding our yarn hostage, she's blackmailing us. I told them I'm willing to play chicken. I will pay the money she purports we owe her from the first half if she'll invoice us separately.
Basically, we're screwed because Becky paid the first half and it would be up to Becky to take it up with paypal. Considering that Becky has been banned, well, I kinda doubt she'd do that for us.
Fark this, If she wants to play hard ball, that's fine. I will file a JAR once this shakes out, regardless of the quality of the yarn.
Lolanae
06-28-2011, 07:04 PM
Jaz I think I love you!
_melody_
06-28-2011, 07:04 PM
We will not be having anything like screenshots from private mediation rooms on DS or any other board posted on CDN. Let's let them work through the process and see what the final result is. Sometimes things just take time.
assuming we ever see the yarn. Not willing to bet money on that.
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Oh, I'd never post the screen shots I'm taking. That's against terms of service for here and there. That's not ok.
Lolanae
06-28-2011, 07:06 PM
Thought -
Any proof she has actually dyed the DS co-op yarn?
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 07:06 PM
We will not be having anything like screenshots from private mediation rooms on DS or any other board posted on CDN. Let's let them work through the process and see what the final result is. Sometimes things just take time.
from what I was told, it isn't a mediation room but I see what you are saying, I just wish DS was more forth coming, putting this under the rug just means she can lie about it.
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And I wasn't meaning to post here, Melody, I just meant for proof before things go Poof!
Cootie Queen
06-28-2011, 07:09 PM
The first half was paid to her. Now she's holding our yarn hostage, she's blackmailing us. I told them I'm willing to play chicken. I will pay the money she purports we owe her from the first half if she'll invoice us separately.
Basically, we're screwed because Becky paid the first half and it would be up to Becky to take it up with paypal. Considering that Becky has been banned, well, I kinda doubt she'd do that for us.
Fark this, If she wants to play hard ball, that's fine. I will file a JAR once this shakes out, regardless of the quality of the yarn.
:hi5:
Katiebear
06-28-2011, 07:10 PM
I was thinking screenshots not for posting here, but to protect those involved in case the threads go poof as they are likely to happen in other places.
aufrog
06-28-2011, 07:20 PM
So she is saying becky nevef paid her the first half. I gueds I'm confused as why you all owe her more money now.
Lolanae
06-28-2011, 07:22 PM
I was thinking screenshots not for posting here, but to protect those involved in case the threads go poof as they are likely to happen in other places.
This is what I meant.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 07:28 PM
I'm so sorry about the DS coop situation :(
romanlili
06-28-2011, 07:29 PM
The first half was paid to her. Now she's holding our yarn hostage, she's blackmailing us. I told them I'm willing to play chicken. I will pay the money she purports we owe her from the first half if she'll invoice us separately.
Basically, we're screwed because Becky paid the first half and it would be up to Becky to take it up with paypal. Considering that Becky has been banned, well, I kinda doubt she'd do that for us.
Fark this, If she wants to play hard ball, that's fine. I will file a JAR once this shakes out, regardless of the quality of the yarn.
wow, she really is a big ole pink cookie isn't she? Does she really think this will make people want to buy from her again?
No, she's saying we paid her $710 but we supposedly owe her more. No clue where the extra $$ is supposed to come from, she's not said.
mommyz
06-28-2011, 07:33 PM
i can't stop going from :jawdrop: to :shakehead: the more i hear about this twat.
DaynaR
06-28-2011, 07:35 PM
Oi, she's not going to have a business at the end of this. She's just running herself deeper and deeper into the ground. Not that it's a bad thing.
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Except for the people she's trying to con, of course. Sorry you're caught up in it all Jaz.
kitty1163
06-28-2011, 07:47 PM
What is this secret room? Huh?
mommyluvs222
06-28-2011, 07:48 PM
Wow! This cannot get any worse!
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 07:49 PM
What is this secret room? Huh?
its for WW DS coop participants only.
Dolphin_medic
06-28-2011, 07:51 PM
Wow! This cannot get any worse!
Never, never say that :(
kwootten2
06-28-2011, 07:53 PM
What is this secret room? Huh?
Basically, DS opened up a HIO room on their board for all of the people involved in this yarn co-op. Since they have to be added by admin there, it's off limits for c/p and screenshots.
I really hope that there's an easy way out of this for you, but this woman's gone off the deep end! :(
aufrog
06-28-2011, 07:54 PM
so besides what she is doing on DS now is she doing anything else? or are the recent comments on the group about the DS thing?
More farking threats from her. I don't think she intends to send our yarn or refund our money.
Hey, at least several other people have expressed a desire to file a JAR on her ass.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 07:56 PM
Yeah it is about the DS stuff, you can't copy/paste from there.
but someone paraphrased to me.
said person is involved in both YLU and DS coops, :( , and already got shody work.
Is WW even a member on DS?
aufrog
06-28-2011, 07:57 PM
:gaah: she is driving her business into the ground really fast.
Is any of this posted on the HC forums?
romanlili
06-28-2011, 07:57 PM
If she refuses to send your yarn or refund your money it seems like it's time to involve police. I wouldn't let her getaway with this crap. Money has crossed state lines, it's over $500, that's a felony.
Assuming I can count, she's got well over half the $, lots of people seem to have paid in full.
Shopaholic
06-28-2011, 08:02 PM
If she refuses to send your yarn or refund your money it seems like it's time to involve police. I wouldn't let her getaway with this crap. Money has crossed state lines, it's over $500, that's a felony.
Yup yup yup......
aufrog
06-28-2011, 08:04 PM
has becky provided the DS mods any screen shots or proof she paid WW? At least you would have htat as a start to prove it was paid to her.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 08:18 PM
basically because of the whole Becky thing (the mod that took our money) the thread got locked, and everyone staged a coo and wanted to be billed directly from Angelina so if we needed to file a claim for any reason, we could--not because of all this other drama, but so we could send as goods not PPO
Then all this drama started, and now angelina will no longer bill us individually, because she thinks we will all file against her for item not as received. She also said that we owe more as a total coop than the original invoice, and if we don't pay by friday, she will have to sell the yarn before she can refund any of us what we've already paid.
but she told Becky the yarn was already dyed, and she's telling someone else that it isn't dyed yet, so there are a lot of discrepencies in the story
She is now claiming we are in violation of the coop contract- but can't provide such a contract too us, she also is refusing to take pictures of the finished yarns before we send payment.
From DS admin:
We,the admins,usually don't allow anything to be shared outside of mediation. In this case we made an exception and say"go ahead and do what you like with the info". All we ask is that you remember we all have tried to help with this situation
this is from the same person. but the part about DS admin is from them,
So mods/admin here, the admin at DS says we can share:
We,the admins,usually don't allow anything to be shared outside of mediation. In this case we made an exception and say"go ahead and do what you like with the info". All we ask is that you remember we all have tried to help with this situation
will you make an exception or would you rather not go there? Delete as you see fit.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 08:22 PM
I took that as, you are free to copy and paste and do with what you will, but if that is not the case, my post can go poof too.
Lolanae
06-28-2011, 08:27 PM
I'd probably PM Mel about it. Then if she wants the information keep it to PMs and let it come from admin.
aufrog
06-28-2011, 08:27 PM
:speechless: I'm totally surprised the admin/mods are giving free reign on this now. :hi5: to them. although I wish they would take it out of the private are first so that everyone over there can see how it went down.
what kind of contract is she speaking of? Was it verbal, email, signed, something she pulled out of her ass?
really, she is making this so much worse on herself than she needs too.
are these dyers that have gone crazy lately ingesting the dyes? what else could explain the whacked out behavior?
kwootten2
06-28-2011, 08:27 PM
I'm not sure who all is around right now, but I'm double checking on whether c/p's of the info will be allowed on our end. Please hold off for the moment, if you would!
On another note, go DS admin for NOT sweeping something under the rug for once!
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 08:29 PM
okay can do kris, and if need be I'll have my post removed.
_melody_
06-28-2011, 08:35 PM
More farking threats from her. I don't think she intends to send our yarn or refund our money.
Hey, at least several other people have expressed a desire to file a JAR on her ass.
I'd file more than a JAR. I'd be filing a police report.
So mods/admin here, the admin at DS says we can share:
will you make an exception or would you rather not go there? Delete as you see fit.
I'll contact admin at DS and verify this and see if they have anything they would care to share with us. We may also move this thread to the Hot Seat, or open another one there so that people who do not have access to the restricted parts of this board can be warned about the WAHM's behavior.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 08:36 PM
I'd file more than a JAR. I'd be filing a police report.
I'll contact admin at DS and verify this and see if they have anything they would care to share with us. We may also move this thread to the Hot Seat, or open another one there so that people who do not have access to the restricted parts of this board can be warned about the WAHM's behavior.
You can do a hot seat without the person on the board?
Like I said, I will wait for the ok and for y'all to decide what, if anything, is shared. If the C&P I posted above is too much, take it down.
romanlili
06-28-2011, 08:37 PM
They can invite her to share her side. It's up to her whether she wants to do that or not.
oops, cross post
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FYI, the admin who said that is WearingTaci.
Holly Golightly
06-28-2011, 08:39 PM
This board kicks ass. :hug:
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 08:39 PM
This board kicks ass. :hug:
:booyah:
_melody_
06-28-2011, 08:41 PM
You can do a hot seat without the person on the board?
:lol: Why not? Who's going to stop me? Last time I checked, I was one of the people who decides what's OK to post here. :bigwink: :toofunny:
Lolanae
06-28-2011, 08:42 PM
:lol: Why not? Who's going to stop me? Last time I checked, I was one of the people who decides what's OK to post here. :bigwink: :toofunny:
Including what words are filted. Us poor folks with a-u-b-u-r-n hair. :toofunny:
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 08:43 PM
:lol: Why not? Who's going to stop me? Last time I checked, I was one of the people who decides what's OK to post here. :bigwink: :toofunny:
lol, sorry I'm still tired, so I posted and then I was like, of course Mel can, she makes the rules :doh:
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☺☺☺☺☺☺ a u b u r n
Holly Golightly
06-28-2011, 08:44 PM
lol, sorry I'm still tired, so I posted and then I was like, of course Mel can, she makes the rules :doh:
:toofunny:
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 08:44 PM
huh? I didn't type alabama
Lolanae
06-28-2011, 08:45 PM
Looks like the filter got updated. :lol:
I don't think a police report is possible. We paid Becky. Becky paid the first payment to WW. Becky would have to do the report because I have no payment that WW has my money, KWIM?
aufrog
06-28-2011, 08:46 PM
huh? I didn't type alabama
:toofunny:
nini02
06-28-2011, 08:46 PM
Wowzers, what a flippin' mess. :(
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 08:47 PM
Looks like the filter got updated. :lol:
yeah cause I typed a-u-b-u-r-n plain, then with spaces and got
☺☺☺☺☺☺ a u b u r n
though you should be able to get around it by au burn
JennyHadAVision
06-28-2011, 08:49 PM
Elf, if we had a smilie that would pat your head and tuck you into bed with a cup of cocoa, I'd totally have it named after you. :) I think you deserve a nap at this point.
_melody_
06-28-2011, 08:55 PM
yeah cause I typed a-u-b-u-r-n plain, then with spaces and got
☺☺☺☺☺☺ Alabama!
though you should be able to get around it by au burn
If I didn't feel bad for you because you've been having such a hard time, I'd have to :whip: you for going around the filters. Stop that! :pbbt:
(If you abuse the filters, I may be forced to filter your name, Elfis. http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u300/melodyvh/smiles/5_5_137.gif )
If only a smiley could take care of the kids like a big fluffy dog would; I'd be using such a smiley left and right!
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OMG, Mel! Ahahahahahahahahaahah!
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 08:57 PM
If I didn't feel bad for you because you've been having such a hard time, I'd have to :whip: you for going around the filters. Stop that! :pbbt:
(If you abuse the filters, I may be forced to filter your name, Elfis. http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u300/melodyvh/smiles/5_5_137.gif )
No no no, I'll be good, I promise
[maybe :err: ]
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Though I could just let people call me by my name to get around the Elf=Elfis name, lol
aufrog
06-28-2011, 09:00 PM
:lmao: Mel. I love it
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 09:01 PM
Elf
just checking
JennyHadAVision
06-28-2011, 09:02 PM
But we totally wouldn't. If you get your smartass stuck with Elfis the Pelfis we will totally throw you under that bus as often as possible. Because we suck that way. We love you, but not enough to pass up a good joke.
Jenga
06-28-2011, 09:03 PM
Elf, next time we have a VBAY auction up for a smiley I might pay to make :elf: into Elfis. :hides:
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Oh wow, there's already an elf!
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Well nevermind I'll just refer to you as :elf:
Katiebear
06-28-2011, 09:09 PM
Elfis! :lmao:
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 09:09 PM
I'm changing my name.
How about Ocean for a new name?
Or FattyTwoByFour?
_melody_
06-28-2011, 09:17 PM
OK, I have confirmation from DS admin that it is OK to share the information you have here. Also, I want to ask that you be patient with WearingTaci and the other DS admin who are working on this. I know from experience just how stressful things like this can be, and how much time it takes to work through issues which involve so many people. We may not always agree with how things work at DS, but they have a HUGE job, and the regular admin who handle the day to day operations deserve our respect and cooperation, and they don't need any of us to make things harder for them when situations like this come up. They are giving us permission to use their information, which they don't have to do, and I really appreciate that.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 09:21 PM
:yay: DS admins, You ROCK!
Like I told them, I was already ready to kiss my $50 goodbye. So it's the WAHM stealing it, not Becky. Same diff, same $50. WHatever. I'm going to see this through and then I'm going to try to nail her (WW's) ass to the wall. I'm not even mad anymore. I don't feel betrayed. I just want to nail her ass to the wall or get my fiber and then nail her ass to the wall. We'll see which it will be come Saturday.
aufrog
06-28-2011, 09:24 PM
I'm sorry to all tha tare dealing with this. It's unfortunate she is doign this to you all and to herself. She may laugh at the fact she has your money and yarn but in the end it's you that gets the last laugh because she has tarnished her business and lost a lot more money in the end.
SisterEncarnacion
06-28-2011, 09:30 PM
Oi, she's not going to have a business at the end of this. She's just running herself deeper and deeper into the ground. Not that it's a bad thing.
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If I am remembering correctly, hasn't WW also done business under the names Cinnamon Stitches and Zen Strings? Maybe (just maybe) the reason her previous biz names aren't being used anymore is because she has a history she was trying to hide?
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 09:33 PM
cinnamon stitches is one that the flickr page went to.
someone else is communicating with DS coop things, not angelina and word is this person is WORSE then Angelina.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 09:45 PM
Newest from Wildflower Whimsy, email:
" I'm sorry, but I think you misunderstand the rules of the co-op. At this late date, the only option the co-op has is to proceed with the agreed transaction or wait until all yarn is sold by Wildflower Whimsy to receive a refund. Actually, per the business agreement entered, to step out now is a breach of contract in which no refund required. However, we would be happy to refund when all yarn has sold if you choose to back out. We have worked with the members of this co-op to accommodate the changing hosts and payment discrepancies, which we were happy to do, but we will no longer change our business practices to suit this ever changing co-op. I mean no disrespect, however, this has been the most unprofessional co-op that we have ever worked with. Not your fault, but not ours either. We have many co-ops over the years and have never failed to hold up our side of the agreement and don't intend to start now. The yarn will be packed on Fri. evening after final payment is received and at that time a photo will be posted for all tho see. Kind regards, M.Fagan co-owner Wildflower Whimsy
Live Colorful~
Angelina"
kwootten2
06-28-2011, 09:48 PM
So, no prayer of seeing what they're sending you until their money is safely in hand, huh? Seriously shady. :shakehead:
mbphoto
06-28-2011, 09:51 PM
The "we" kind of cracks me up. As if she's running a corporate empire. She means "I" with her pots of dye cooking on her stove in her kitchen.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 09:51 PM
If I was in the coop I'd rather be refunded but then the problem is that with everything going down, no one wants to buy their yarn. So no guarantee that they will ever be refunded. :(
aufrog
06-28-2011, 09:52 PM
Why have they failed to explain why they are wanting more money now then what was first agreed upon? And isn't providing participants with yarn that doesn't even match the colorways they said they were a breach on their end?
elabela
06-28-2011, 09:54 PM
I don't understand how they are claiming you owe more money? How much are they claiming you owe, and why? I am seriously confused.. What is this money for? and how much is it??
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 09:55 PM
Why have they failed to explain why they are wanting more money now then what was first agreed upon? And isn't providing participants with yarn that doesn't even match the colorways they said they were a breach on their end?
Not according to their CYA. They will just say it is monitor discrepancies or the beauty of hand dyed yarn or that it is a watercolor, that is what it does.
aufrog
06-28-2011, 09:56 PM
Not according to their CYA. They will just say it is monitor discrepancies or the beauty of hand dyed yarn or that it is a watercolor, that is what it does.
:pishposh: she can blow that WC up her ass.
mommyluvs222
06-28-2011, 09:57 PM
The "we" kind of cracks me up. As if she's running a corporate empire. She means "I" with her pots of dye cooking on her stove in her kitchen.
I guess it officially makes it "we" when you randomly throw in the name of the co-owner of said empire:toofunny: "M.Fagan co-owner Wildflower Whimsy"
nini02
06-28-2011, 09:59 PM
I don't understand how they are claiming you owe more money? How much are they claiming you owe, and why? I am seriously confused.. What is this money for? and how much is it??
:yeahthat: And the 'no pictures until you pay us' crap is just :speechless: wow.
You can do a hot seat without the person on the board?
:lol: Why not? Who's going to stop me? Last time I checked, I was one of the people who decides what's OK to post here. :bigwink: :toofunny:
:yeahthat:
I say we move this to HS now. Too much is in here, if everyone is ok with that I'll do it. If you have an issue let me know. Starting a new thread would be a logistical nightmare.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 10:09 PM
well I'll look stupid but you have my ok
_melody_
06-28-2011, 10:12 PM
I'm moving it now.
JennyHadAVision
06-28-2011, 10:12 PM
well I'll look stupid but you have my ok
Only for being Elfis the Pelfis. Other than that you haven't looked stupid yet. Oh- and maybe for doubting Melody's super powers... :)
WOWWWWWwwwwww! I have been busy sewing all day and missed all this new stuff happening! Holy moly.
Gotta back up several more pages and totally catch up :popcorn: :wine:
well I'll look stupid but you have my ok
Meh, nothing new there.
:toofunny: kidding hun.
Take it away, Mom!
No, really, if only you could make the bad thread go away. Sigh.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 10:16 PM
LOL , Mom
Though I have to admit, I seriously wondered if I was going to get banned for posting it, and bringing more drama to the board.
LOL , Mom
Though I have to admit, I seriously wondered if I was going to get banned for posting it, and bringing more drama to the board.
Eh, surely you'd be warned first. You're not such a special snowflake as to be banned without warning her, surely!
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Oh, noes, i called you Shirley! *ba-da-bump*
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Warning Here! not warning her. Sigh.
typing failure. Darn you, FFS*!
*Fat Finger Syndrome
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 10:22 PM
Eh, surely you'd be warned first. You're not such a special snowflake as to be banned without warning her, surely!
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Oh, noes, i called you Shirley! *ba-da-bump*
LOL.
I :wub: you Jae.
Sometimes I don't agree with what you say (cause that is true of everyone) but man, you tell it like it is!
I love you too, elf. But the name's not Jae.
heh
_melody_
06-28-2011, 10:24 PM
This is the new first post of this thread, since the threads in this section are to be started by Admin.
This thread has been moved from a time on board/post count restricted area of the board because we feel that this issue deserves the attention of the CDing/wool shopping community as a whole. Please feel free to share whatever information you have that is pertinent. Try to keep Off Topic comments to a minimum from this point on. People who are looking for information about this WAHM may be in a hurry and will not need to be looking through mass quantities of condiments, LOLcats and geese. Thanks!
LOL , Mom
Though I have to admit, I seriously wondered if I was going to get banned for posting it, and bringing more drama to the board.
We don't MIND drama as long as you tell the truth and are not just running around asking for :asspat: or trolling. It's that "I'm gonna start drama so I can be the star of the show" crap that we hate. Starting this thread was fine. In fact, it was a good thing because EVERYBODY needs to be warned about WAHM's who do business like this. They give all WAHM's a bad name and that's a shame.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 10:25 PM
Oh my word.
I'm sorry I just read Owls and then came here.
JAZ. I did TRY to take a nap, it failed, so expect more FFS.
yeah, I just read the first post. Sorry.
audlovesm5
06-28-2011, 10:27 PM
Hi, I have been watching, and reading this whole mess. I haven't posted, because it really didn't have anything to do with me; and I didn't want to seem dramarific. But, now that it's out in the open.....I just wanted to say that I'm glad that you brought all of this up; even though I know it's been a total pain. It's been a total crap fest. And, I know you feel like you made some mistakes early on.....but, really.....that lady has shown her true colors in the end. I can't believe how arrogant her responses have been; to everyone involved. I will never buy from her.
Cootie Queen
06-28-2011, 10:29 PM
LOL , Mom
Though I have to admit, I seriously wondered if I was going to get banned for posting it, and bringing more drama to the board.
If this were the case then I would've been banned a long time ago. :err:
Back to the subject at hand, this was the latest posted by the admin re: email trail.
Our members really prefer they be invoiced separately. We understand that they will then pay the paypal fees. Really it works out well for you. The coop fees on $710 is noticable and this way you don't miss out on that.
I have almost all the email addresses for you.I will be paying the 2nd half for Jennifer,who contacted you earlier about wanting a refund on the 1st half of her payment. All the other members are still planning on paying for the yarn as well as the extra $30 as soon as we can find out where that came from
I'm trying to make this work,and I feel like I have been honest,upfront and very responsive. I am asking for just a little help from you on this,to get this coop finished and everyone moving on with life
I still didn't get a copy of the contract you mentioned earlier
Sarah
DiaperSwappers Co-op Team
www.diaperswappers.com/forum
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From: Wildflower Whimsy <angelina@wildflower-whimsy.com>
To: DiaperSwappers Co-op team <dscoopteam@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 3:20:17 PM
Subject: Re: Diaperswappers co-op *Urgent*
I am truly sorry that there has been so many changes to your co-op and I know it must be frustrating We have been contacted by several women claiming to be in charge of this co-op so it has been frustrating for us as well not knowing if our time and energy is being wasted. There is no reason we should now have to prove our reliability when we have held up our end of the agreement from the start. No co-op anywhere allows for deposit to be refunded individually or collectively if the buyer backs out. We have followed the rules and expect you to do the same. Final payment was due last Fri. , June 25th. We have allowed some leeway due to host changing but will no longer be flexible in this matter. Fri. July first is the final date. Photos will then be taken and posted as per usual co-op practices. Thank you for understanding our position. Have a nice day.
Live Colorful~
Angelina
wildflower-whimsy.com
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I can post the other email exchanges if people want.
elabela
06-28-2011, 10:34 PM
Is that 30$ from each person?!? wtf. What is their reasoning for this, I am so confused.
aufrog
06-28-2011, 10:35 PM
Is that 30$ from each person?!? wtf. What is their reasoning for this, I am so confused.
I understood it as $30 as a group not per person.
elabela
06-28-2011, 10:35 PM
It better be. Not that there should be any extra charges.
Cootie Queen
06-28-2011, 10:37 PM
Maybe the $30 is from fees?
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 10:43 PM
I'd love to see the rest of the email exchange.
710 in fees is 21.51
I offered to pay the damned $30 out of my pocket just to move forward.
I'll play chicken. I will pay the $30 if y'all want to move forward IF she invoices us separately regardless of if we owe her $30. In fact, I will PP you (personal payment) the $30 today to send her as a measure of our bona fides if you'll insist that she invoice us. Because I think she expects us to not pay up. I think she'll tell us, too bad, so sad. If she really wanted to get this coop over and done with, if she stood behind her work, she'd invoice us. I want to see if she'll do it. I'm willing to kiss $30 goodbye to prove a point, that she's a bad WAHM with inexcusable business practices. I'm willing to pay her blackmail to get our yarn.
The 'you' above was to WearingTaci, DS admin. Who's been stuck with this execrable coop.
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Ok, first exchange. This was after one member, who was part of the YLU coop and got burned, had asked Angelina for a refund because she didn't want her yarn anymore.
Ladies
This coop is giving us all a lot of grey hairs,and it just continues to come. Late last night the WAHM sent this two emails to the DS coop email address
I can say,in my experience there is something shady about these emails. It's my belief that she doesn't want to invoice now,because it does give you the option of filing a paypal dispute with her if the yarn isn't what it's supposed to be.
If you want to push forward that is fine with me,but I will have to insist that the payments be sent as personal payments. I just can't be responsible for that much money given the way this WAHM is behaving.
I'm attaching the emails she sent so you can judge for yourselves
Note from Wildflower Whimsy
There is a discrepancy with the final order I received, the first payment that was made, and the total due now. If the unpaid order is to be dyed and shipped, the additional $30 will have to be paid. I have no way of knowing who did/didn't pay into the first payment... or who may have added to the order after the final call. ?
We are trying to figure out how the amount owed has gone from $710 to $703 to now $740. No one seems to know what . Im waiting for her to forward me the order form she has so we can check it over
Wildflower Whimsy <angelina@wildflower-whimsy.com>Add to Contacts
To: DiaperSwappers Co-op team <dscoopteam@yahoo.com>
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I'm afraid due to the order/payment discrepancies, I will have to hand this payment collection back to you. I have heard that because of some fabricated drama in another finished co-op that members of your co-op intend not to fulfill their obligations of completing this co-op. I want to remind the group that I can give until this Friday, July 1st to finalize this co-op or I will need to take possession of the yarns and try to sell them myself. At the time all of the yarn is sold, I can offer a refund of the $710 already paid.
Please let me know when the discrepancy is found, I look forward to hearing back from a host with DS.
Live Colorful~
Angelina
wildflower-whimsy.com
We don't have a lot of time to decide what to do so we need to discuss and work out a game plan as quickly as possible
Next exchange.
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From: Wildflower Whimsy <angelina@wildflower-whimsy.com>
To: DiaperSwappers Co-op team <dscoopteam@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 2:36:37 PM
Subject: Re: Diaperswappers co-op *Urgent*
I'm sorry, but I think you misunderstand the rules of the co-op. At this late date, the only option the co-op has is to proceed with the agreed transaction or wait until all yarn is sold by Wildflower Whimsy to receive a refund. Actually, per the business agreement entered, to step out now is a breach of contract in which no refund required. However, we would be happy to refund when all yarn has sold if you choose to back out. We have worked with the members of this co-op to accommodate the changing hosts and payment discrepancies, which we were happy to do, but we will no longer change our business practices to suit this ever changing co-op. I mean no disrespect, however, this has been the most unprofessional co-op that we have ever worked with. Not your fault, but not ours either. We have many co-ops over the years and have never failed to hold up our side of the agreement and don't intend to start now. The yarn will be packed on Fri. evening after final payment is received and at that time a photo will be posted for all tho see. Kind regards, M.Fagan co-owner Wildflower Whimsy
Live Colorful~
Angelina
wildflower-whimsy.com
On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:45 PM, DiaperSwappers Co-op team wrote:
Actually they want to see a picture of the yarn before they decide whether or not they want to proceed with buying the yarn
Thanks
Sarah
DiaperSwappers Co-op Team
www.diaperswappers.com/forum
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From: Wildflower Whimsy <angelina@wildflower-whimsy.com>
To: DiaperSwappers Co-op team <dscoopteam@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 1:29:35 PM
Subject: Re: Diaperswappers co-op *Urgent*
I always photograph just prior to packing, and will be happy to send along that link and a group photo to you then. :)
Live Colorful~
Angelina
wildflower-whimsy.com
On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:25 PM, DiaperSwappers Co-op team wrote:
The woman involved in the coop would like to see a picture of the yarn. The whole order in one picture will be fine
Thanks
Sarah
DiaperSwappers Co-op Team
www.diaperswappers.com/forum
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From: Wildflower Whimsy <angelina@wildflower-whimsy.com>
To: DiaperSwappers Co-op team <dscoopteam@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 11:14:43 PM
Subject: Re: Diaperswappers co-op *Urgent*
I'm afraid due to the order/payment discrepancies, I will have to hand this payment collection back to you. I have heard that because of some fabricated drama in another finished co-op that members of your co-op intend not to fulfill their obligations of completing this co-op. I want to remind the group that I can give until this Friday, July 1st to finalize this co-op or I will need to take possession of the yarns and try to sell them myself. At the time all of the yarn is sold, I can offer a refund of the $710 already paid.
Please let me know when the discrepancy is found, I look forward to hearing back from a host with DS.
Live Colorful~
Angelina
wildflower-whimsy.com
I am trying to finish this for you all,but I am tired of playing nice. I would love to say. There is no contact,and we want the refund now,or we are calling the police and filing reports.
I am holding off and waiting for you to tell me what you want
Lolanae
06-28-2011, 10:58 PM
Sounds either:
1) She's already spent the money.
2) She's dyed the yarn but after seeing the "fabricated" drama, she's worried. (I mean how can multiple people being unhappy be fabricated...
3) She's totally off the bloody deep end.
4) She spent the money but hasn't dye the yarn/all of it yet.
5) All of the above.
The last set.
Our members really prefer they be invoiced separately. We understand that they will then pay the paypal fees. Really it works out well for you. The coop fees on $710 is noticable and this way you don't miss out on that.
I have almost all the email addresses for you.I will be paying the 2nd half for Jennifer,who contacted you earlier about wanting a refund on the 1st half of her payment. All the other members are still planning on paying for the yarn as well as the extra $30 as soon as we can find out where that came from
I'm trying to make this work,and I feel like I have been honest,upfront and very responsive. I am asking for just a little help from you on this,to get this coop finished and everyone moving on with life
I still didn't get a copy of the contract you mentioned earlier
Sarah
DiaperSwappers Co-op Team
www.diaperswappers.com/forum
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From: Wildflower Whimsy <angelina@wildflower-whimsy.com>
To: DiaperSwappers Co-op team <dscoopteam@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 3:20:17 PM
Subject: Re: Diaperswappers co-op *Urgent*
I am truly sorry that there has been so many changes to your co-op and I know it must be frustrating We have been contacted by several women claiming to be in charge of this co-op so it has been frustrating for us as well not knowing if our time and energy is being wasted. There is no reason we should now have to prove our reliability when we have held up our end of the agreement from the start. No co-op anywhere allows for deposit to be refunded individually or collectively if the buyer backs out. We have followed the rules and expect you to do the same. Final payment was due last Fri. , June 25th. We have allowed some leeway due to host changing but will no longer be flexible in this matter. Fri. July first is the final date. Photos will then be taken and posted as per usual co-op practices. Thank you for understanding our position. Have a nice day.
Live Colorful~
Angelina
wildflower-whimsy.com
aufrog
06-28-2011, 11:09 PM
:gaah: angelina is just not answering where the extra $30 comes from and giving them a copy of the contract. If she doesn't want to figure out the $30 send the stinking order form back to DS so they can figure it out.
nini02
06-28-2011, 11:20 PM
She sounds incredibly frustrating to deal with - the DS admin team definitely has my respect on this one. Dang.
*Elf*
06-28-2011, 11:24 PM
Someone on DS said " Sadly I thought she was making a come back with the name change and customer service but it seems it's going back to her old way. :( "
So I'm guessing she had troubles under her last WAHM name.
I can't see where the $30 comes from either. Half the order is $710, Becky should have paid $720 since one person paid in full ($40 instead of $20) and one person underpaid their half by $10.
DaynaR
06-28-2011, 11:32 PM
I would just tell the host to start talking to police. She is being ridiculous.
Lolanae
06-28-2011, 11:33 PM
Sounds like she had problems, but no one really complained until now. Unless my google fu is failing me on finding the feedback.
JennyHadAVision
06-28-2011, 11:39 PM
Sounds like she had problems, but no one really complained until now. Unless my google fu is failing me on finding the feedback.
I am finding nothing negative on ZS or CS, so it's not just you. If there have been past issues they aren't easy to find on Google.
frainfam
06-28-2011, 11:39 PM
she was selling under the name Zen String on HC up until March of 2010... why the name change?
Lolanae
06-28-2011, 11:40 PM
I'm wondering if she bullied folks into not leaving FB. Maybe some of the HC WAHMs might have more information?
I would just tell the host to start talking to police. She is being ridiculous.
But the thing is, Becky made the order. Becky paid WW. Becky is now BANNED. So I'm not sure the current host really has the authority to go to the police since she didn't place the order or pay for it. We can prove we each paid becky. But right now, I'm not sure we have any proof that Becky paid anyone, much less paid WW the full half.
_melody_
06-28-2011, 11:44 PM
But the thing is, Becky made the order. Becky paid WW. Becky is now BANNED. So I'm not sure the current host really has the authority to go to the police since she didn't place the order or pay for it. We can prove we each paid becky. But right now, I'm not sure we have any proof that Becky paid anyone, much less paid WW the full half.
Surely Becky has an incentive to prove that she paid WW. Otherwise you could all go to the police on HER, right? I wouldn't think she'd want that to happen. If she wants to come post that here, she's welcome to do so.
DaynaR
06-28-2011, 11:48 PM
Surely Becky has an incentive to prove that she paid WW. Otherwise you could all go to the police on HER, right? I wouldn't think she'd want that to happen. If she wants to come post that here, she's welcome to do so.
This! But I do see your point Jaz.
mbphoto
06-28-2011, 11:48 PM
Angelina never had a reputation as a thief when she owned Zen String. A crazy bitch, yes, a thief no.
Lolanae
06-28-2011, 11:49 PM
Angelina never had a reputation as a thief when she owned Zen String. A crazy bitch, yes, a thief no.
Can you define her brand of crazy cause I can not find anything about it online before this latest mess?
mbphoto
06-28-2011, 11:52 PM
Can you define her brand of crazy cause I can not find anything about it online before this latest mess?
Well crazy bitch is kind of hard to quantify. Unpleasant, rude, unbending, failed to return emails randomly. Odd for someone running a business. She has been around a long time.
Well crazy bitch is kind of hard to quantify. Unpleasant, rude, unbending, failed to return emails randomly. Odd for someone running a business. She has been around a long time.
Let's see. Re: current coops: unpleasant, check; rude, check; unbending, check. All's in order!
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 01:33 AM
From the pictures on Rav, many of her yarns were not dyed to match the stock photos.
where is the Rav discussion?
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 02:04 AM
where is the Rav discussion?
there isn't any, I haven't posted over there.
I look at the stash photos and compared and man. * insert eye rolling at the fact they don't look like the stock photo in many cases *
This is insane.
I really cannot wrap my mind around the way some WAHMs minds work. Nothing she is doing is helping her, saving her biz, or enabling her future success. NOTHING. From the way she talks and responds to her actions. Does she simply not care? Is this her going down in a blaze of glory F YOU ALL moment?
I cannot imagine acting the way she has and expecting there to be biz left when I was done?!
Well let along I cannot imagine acting like that to my customers anyway but that is a personality/character pesonal issue I think.......but she is just other side of the universe away from my understanding from any business standpoint.
mommyz
06-29-2011, 03:08 AM
she'll probably change her business name again. :shakehead:
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 03:11 AM
she'll probably change her business name again. :shakehead:
oh please Lord, NO
delmamarie
06-29-2011, 03:11 AM
I've watched all of this from a distance, as I'm not one to jump in where I don't belong. However, this is just horrible. And I know if I acted like this to any of my customers, I wouldn't have any left! Just.....I have no words. :-/
Last communique from M. Fagan.
PrevNext THIS Co-op was not started this way. You are more than welcome to do what you like with any other co-op. Yes we agreed yesterday, but upon further thought, we believe that it would be better to finish the way we started. I'm sure you have been involved in co-ops before and I'm sure you understand that this request is highly irregular. As this will be our last co-op, we would like for everything to run as smoothly as possible. We entered into this with one person hosting a co-op, not many different customers. That is how a co-op works. Please let your group know that they need to send all payments to you.. I hope you understand that we will not waver on this.Thank you and goodnight. M Fagan, owner Wildflower Whimsy
M. Fagan must be Angelina's husband, I think. Matthew Fagan, maybe.
Purple
06-29-2011, 06:14 AM
is there a recap somewherE? i simply cannot read 16 pages :giggle:
DaynaR
06-29-2011, 06:23 AM
Basically:
-Elf got horribly wrong colored yarn through a co-op
-Elf contacted co-op host about said issue and was basically told to shove it, it's what happens with hand dyed yarn
- Elf posts feed back about the whole thing on WAHM feedback on FB
- Said people there attack her and tell her to suck it up, denying it's an issue and basically being all over with what she should have done how she should have handled it
- Other people come out and say their yarn is not as pictured and people start listening and digging into it.
- Said WAHM shows her shady side in denying the whole thing, acting like Elf is creating unwarrented drama, holding fast to her stating the yarn has no issue and that she won't refund will only do store credit or redye
- WAHM continues being shady, takes down colorway page, lies about it, puts it back up, claims bandwidth issues
- People at DS become concerned with whats going on with the co-op half finished over there
- WAHM claims they owe an extra 30$ out of nowhere, and won't do anything about the co-op unless it's paid too.
- Talk going on at DS between Mod, and members while Mod is in communication with WAHM
- Discussion still taking place about what to do at with that co-op. This is new developments and can be recapped by reading the last few pages.
Purple
06-29-2011, 06:32 AM
:shocked:
wow.
Cootie Queen
06-29-2011, 03:44 PM
But the thing is, Becky made the order. Becky paid WW. Becky is now BANNED. So I'm not sure the current host really has the authority to go to the police since she didn't place the order or pay for it. We can prove we each paid becky. But right now, I'm not sure we have any proof that Becky paid anyone, much less paid WW the full half.
In this email here, she admits that she received the first payment.
I'm afraid due to the order/payment discrepancies, I will have to hand this payment collection back to you. I have heard that because of some fabricated drama in another finished co-op that members of your co-op intend not to fulfill their obligations of completing this co-op. I want to remind the group that I can give until this Friday, July 1st to finalize this co-op or I will need to take possession of the yarns and try to sell them myself. At the time all of the yarn is sold, I can offer a refund of the $710 already paid.
*I didn't c/p all of it, but if you scroll up, it's one of the emails in red.
Lolanae
06-29-2011, 03:46 PM
She worded it oddly enough that it can also mean: Collecting the remaining payments will be handed back to DS. She had agreed to invoice, then she took back that agreement. She's hiding behind YLU drama. I'm wondering if she really thinks it's still just Elf with problems?
Cootie Queen
06-29-2011, 04:13 PM
I dunno B. The first part of the sentence "due to the order/payment discrepancies" leans towards the already collected payment, IMO. I mean, how can there be any payment discrepancies if she hasn't already collected money, kwim? And if you pair that statement with the whole "you still owe me $30" claim, then it definitely shows that she's already received some money.
I hope that made sense. :err: It's been a rough morning. Am I the only one who has this line of thinking?
She said we'd paid $710. It should have been $720, $720 was collected. We're still waiting for a copy of the contract and explanation for the $30.
Cootie Queen
06-29-2011, 04:21 PM
She said we'd paid $710. It should have been $720, $720 was collected. We're still waiting for a copy of the contract and explanation for the $30.
But you do have proof that she admits that she received the $710, correct? So you shouldn't need Becky to file a police report.
Jenga
06-29-2011, 04:29 PM
But Becky paid her, so maybe they do need Becky.
Cootie Queen
06-29-2011, 04:30 PM
Yea, maybe. :think:
aufrog
06-29-2011, 04:31 PM
did you all see the other thread? The unbanned becky
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n/m I just went and read the updates in the other thread and saw you did.
Cootie Queen
06-29-2011, 04:36 PM
did you all see the other thread? The unbanned becky
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n/m I just went and read the updates in the other thread and saw you did.
:speechless: They unbanned her? For this issue?
Jenga
06-29-2011, 04:37 PM
Maybe because she may not have done what they said she did. It's a mess.
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 04:43 PM
In this email here, she admits that she received the first payment.
I'm afraid due to the order/payment discrepancies, I will have to hand this payment collection back to you. I have heard that because of some fabricated drama in another finished co-op that members of your co-op intend not to fulfill their obligations of completing this co-op. I want to remind the group that I can give until this Friday, July 1st to finalize this co-op or I will need to take possession of the yarns and try to sell them myself. At the time all of the yarn is sold, I can offer a refund of the $710 already paid.
*I didn't c/p all of it, but if you scroll up, it's one of the emails in red.
I bolded the part that was pertinent to me.
It is NOT a lie, lady, ARGH
Eh, some people in the DS coop don't want to pay her and want a full refund of their DS money because they got crappy yarn through YLU.
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 04:53 PM
Eh, some people in the DS coop don't want to pay her and want a full refund of their DS money because they got crappy yarn through YLU.
Really? Any idea about how many were in both coops?
IMO, I think that WW really doesn't understand the possible outcomes of screwing coops like this. Even if only half the people who've said they want to file a JAR do, that's like 3-4 people. And that's like 2-3 more than normal. Considering that once someone breaks the ice so to speak of actually speaking up, I would not be surprised if other wronged people spoke up.
People are too damned nice and don't leave accurate feedback out of fear of being mobbed like Elf was because she didn't do what they would have done. Or told they're wrong like Mommy Z was in the Creatively Ewe thread. But oooooh, no, you're wrong because you didn't ask nicely and were blunt. Or ooooooh, no, we have to give benefit of the doubt to someone who's taken the money and run because she's someone's friend. That's bull IMO. However, if someone leads the way and is willing to take the majority of the mobbing because it's the right thing to do, other people will step up and tell their stories.
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I think two people were in both coops.
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 05:07 PM
I get what you are saying Jaz
Off to break the ice. I'll take the heat on the JAR, I don't care.
mommyluvs222
06-29-2011, 05:21 PM
I get what you are saying Jaz
Off to break the ice. I'll take the heat on the JAR, I don't care.
:hugs: Elf!!
Can you link photos in your JAR? Not post them into the actual email but link them to a sharing host? I think that a visual would speak volumes in addition to the facts.
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 05:24 PM
:hugs: Elf!!
Can you link photos in your JAR? Not post them into the actual email but link them to a sharing host? I think that a visual would speak volumes in addition to the facts.
I'm awful, I'm linking them in the actual JAR, so that no one has to go look them up. :err:
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 06:06 PM
Okay, anyone want to offer to proof the JAR, if so, rep me your email address.
randareena
06-29-2011, 06:42 PM
Huh? Won't juicy Apple send it out?
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 06:44 PM
Huh? Won't juicy Apple send it out?
proof as in check it over for grammatical errors or nonsensical stuff
its a lot of info and I want to make sure it makes sense is all
aufrog
06-29-2011, 06:44 PM
I think she wants someone to read over it before she hands it over to them.
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sorry x-posted.
Lily_Grace
06-29-2011, 06:45 PM
I joined YLU for the hell of it (I like drooling over yarn, what can I say?) and got an email today with an update in the rules.
:looky: Very klassy. Way to keep the drama going and pretend it's all in the buyer's head.
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 06:47 PM
I'm banned so no email, oh well.
I should have had someone check about the PM thing, because I looked and didn't see it, but that is what they banned me for, showing the PM without ziggy's permission
aufrog
06-29-2011, 06:47 PM
I joined YLU for the hell of it (I like drooling over yarn, what can I say?) and got an email today with an update in the rules.
:looky: Very klassy. Way to keep the drama going and pretend it's all in the buyer's head.
what did it say?
randareena
06-29-2011, 06:48 PM
I so read it as....if you need proof I did the jar ::headshake: :needcoffee:
Posted via Mobile Device
aufrog
06-29-2011, 06:48 PM
I so read it as....if you need proof I did the jar ::headshake: :needcoffee:
Posted via Mobile Device
:toofunny:
Lolanae
06-29-2011, 06:49 PM
Oh dear, what are the new rules?
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 06:49 PM
I so read it as....if you need proof I did the jar ::headshake: :needcoffee:
Posted via Mobile Device
lol, :toofunny:
I meant to say proof read, sorry
Lily_Grace
06-29-2011, 06:56 PM
Oh dear, what are the new rules?
To paraphrase:
Dying is ant art, peeplez! You get what you get and you don't throw a fit! And if we call you a drama llama, you should go think about WHY we call you that! Duh! Go sit in your corner or be nice and shut up!
Course, that's only a paraphrase. It's said somewhat more adultish (but not much more) and the last line talks about how the banhammer will come down if posts are copied outside the forum. Hence, the summary. ;)
aufrog
06-29-2011, 06:57 PM
To paraphrase:
Dying is ant art, peeplez! You get what you get and you don't throw a fit! And if we call you a drama llama, you should go think about WHY we call you that! Duh! Go sit in your corner or be nice and shut up!
Course, that's only a paraphrase. It's said somewhat more adultish (but not much more) and the last line talks about how the banhammer will come down if posts are copied outside the forum. Hence, the summary. ;)
:hi5: I like your paraphrasing.
Lily_Grace
06-29-2011, 06:57 PM
ugh, that should be an art, not ant art! I'm pretty sure ants don't dye yarn!
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 07:02 PM
Well if ants dyed yarn it would look cool!
Wait, if that is a new rule, then how did I get banned ?
aufrog
06-29-2011, 07:03 PM
ugh, that should be an art, not ant art! I'm pretty sure ants don't dye yarn!
:rofl: I didn't even notice that. Who know, maybe you have something there. Ant dye job and the variances they produce could be the new thing.
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Well if ants dyed yarn it would look cool!
Wait, if that is a new rule, then how did I get banned ?
:giggle: I can tell you how you got banned.....put the checkmark by ban in your profile. j/k.
I know you mean why. that I can't explain.
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 07:23 PM
To paraphrase:
Dying is ant art, peeplez! You get what you get and you don't throw a fit! And if we call you a drama llama, you should go think about WHY we call you that! Duh! Go sit in your corner or be nice and shut up!
Course, that's only a paraphrase. It's said somewhat more adultish (but not much more) and the last line talks about how the banhammer will come down if posts are copied outside the forum. Hence, the summary. ;)
And they actually expect people to order from them in upcoming coops with that policy?
Lily_Grace
06-29-2011, 07:26 PM
People will. There's something they like for the price they like and they'll continue until it doesn't work for them anymore. And THEN they'll be banned for making waves. And it'll continue just like that.
It works. Otherwise places like DS would have been internet graveyards long ago.
eljube112
06-29-2011, 07:41 PM
question... if the ds host collects the money, can SHE not go after WW for goods not as described if it came to that? I'd hate to go through it if I was the host, but it must be possible? I dunno. Just throwing that out.
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 07:43 PM
she could, but she got thrown in the middle and BOTH her and Becky would have to go after WW to get the money back
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anyways JAR is sent, now lets hope they send it out
We're still trying to decide what to do with the DS coop. Becky handed over the first email with WW which outlined how she did coops and none of these rules and regs they talked about were in there. Didn't say anything about how they don't send coops photos for okaying before payment. No where in the email does it say about sending money constitutes acceptance of a contract.
I sent this email this morning
I still don't have a copy of the contract you claim to have,or an explanation of the extra $30 you say the coop owes you. Maybe you forgot where you said the group still owed $710. I will forward you the email where you stated that. Also your own FAQ states that you will provide pictures of yarn for approval.
" I am happy to provide high quality photographs for approval prior to shipping on custom dyed products. I am also glad to answer any questions you may have about particular fibers/yarns/fabrics and colorways before purchase."
New Email
Hi there Sarah!
Let's see... we have a few points to touch on:
1. You have a copy of the coop policies that were agreed to by your group by entering the transaction.
2. I invoiced you correctly and that amount is $740. I welcome you to triple check it for any errors. When Becky was handling the coop, I never invoiced her, I simply was sent a payment one day. That amount she sent was $710. Naturally I trusted she added it correctly as I have never ever had problems with my coops as far as payments, etc. I have double checked my order, my dye list of dyed yarns, and the database. They all match up without discrepancy... so you will have to ask Becky why she only sent $710 to begin with. I have nothing to do with the administration of your board or co-op, so I have nothing to do about that. ? It looks like if each person covered about $.20 per skein, it will make up the lost difference.
3. As far as the photograph. Of course! I have already stated I would post high quality individual colorway photographs. I think you understand the difference between a groups' order and an individual's custom order. With an individual customer who is paying full price, this is a service I do provide. However, this is a group order, and the group can go over the photos once the group has finished the transaction at hand. (just like a regular customer.) I am not going to suddenly, after this coop was FINISHED AND PAID for decide on new terms. It was not my fault the group has disintegrated. If no one wants this yarn, then that is your choice.
I look forward to wrapping this up. It all goes for public sale Friday after 5 PM CDT. Thanks, and have a great day!
The email that Becky got months ago after inquiring about a coop:
From: angelina@wildflower-whimsy.com
To: pizza.247@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Web Site Comments
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 18:44:55 -0600
Hi Becky! Thanks so much for writing, and what a compliment from the Diaperswappers ladies! I've done a Diaper Pin co-op about 4 years ago, and it went smoothly. You may find the co-op information below in bold. (note that the dates are for example only, you of course will choose the actual dates. I do allow groups a once per season buy, and only have 1 potential buy lined up for the winter. :)
Timelines for DiaperSwappers:
Dye start date: 1 January 2011 (this is simply a placeholder as an example. I allow each group one buy per season)
50% deposit due: 16 December 2010 (This gives 2 weeks for yarn delivery and preparation, and if any backorders are happening it will give us time to have it substituted or arrive on time)
Projected shipping to Becky: 1 February 2011 (In the past, I have always been before the 4 weeks, but again this allows for any backorders that I may be waiting on)
Shipping will be done via UPS or FedEx. Co-op prices (20% off retail) include shipping to leader (Becky?).
Minimums:
You may order as many colorways as you like, however; you must order each colorway in multiples of 4. (4, 8, 12, 16, 20…)
Full solid coordinating skeins are available with no further minimums.
Your group must order at least 4 of any type of fiber/yarn desired. The number after the original 4 is unimportant for bases.
Custom colorways/new colorways are welcomed. I will not duplicate another dye artist, however. All other minimums apply, and the colorway may be included to public for sale in the future.
I will send a spreadsheet to you to submit your final order. It is editable by you. (this spreadsheet reflects the groups’ co-op pricing)
Maximum 300 skeins of yarn and/or braids of fiber per group order. This ensures that I am able to complete the group order in time.
For a current list of colorways, yarns, and fibers; please see this page: (though I have not updated this with the very newest colorways)
http://www.wildflower-whimsy.com/pages/colorways.php
I look forward to working with the DS ladies, thank you so much, and please do keep in touch.
Brightest Blessings,
Angelina
Wildflower Whimsy
keeping you in stitches*
mbphoto
06-29-2011, 08:04 PM
Did the new rules say you cant say fuck?
I get what you are saying Jaz
Off to break the ice. I'll take the heat on the JAR, I don't care.
Oh, Elf, I didn't mean you to feel pressured or shamed into doing the JAR. I was fully willing to start the JAR process once my transaction came to its bloody conclusion. We're a little afraid to start sending in the JARs until this all shakes out because we're afraid she'll take our first payment, keep the yarn, and run, thus we'll never see money nor fiber.
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y'know, I didn't get a copy of the new rules via email. I joined recently.
MotherMoonPads
06-29-2011, 08:09 PM
Oh, Elf, I didn't mean you to feel pressured or shamed into doing the JAR. I was fully willing to start the JAR process once my transaction came to its bloody conclusion. We're a little afraid to start sending in the JARs until this all shakes out because we're afraid she'll take our first payment, keep the yarn, and run, thus we'll never see money nor fiber.
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y'know, I didn't get a copy of the new rules via email. I joined recently.
I didn't get a copy via email either, but I DID find them in the forum ;)
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 08:14 PM
Oh, Elf, I didn't mean you to feel pressured or shamed into doing the JAR. I was fully willing to start the JAR process once my transaction came to its bloody conclusion. We're a little afraid to start sending in the JARs until this all shakes out because we're afraid she'll take our first payment, keep the yarn, and run, thus we'll never see money nor fiber.
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y'know, I didn't get a copy of the new rules via email. I joined recently.
I know you didn't mean it. I'd just been waiting to stiffen my backbone, with all that has gone on and the backlash at first it kinda got "limpy"
And then I really wanted to make sure I had everything accurate.
I pray that you at least see the yarn :(
I'm so sorry about the coop.
It will be what it will be. I'd already kissed the $50 goodbye, got it back, so losing $50 again won't be the end of the world. Besides, if I do lose it and have no fiber to share, I will be happy to send in an accurate but professionally scathing JAR. Very happy.
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 08:33 PM
What does the host think y'all should do?
That doesn't give y'all much time to decide. That's what 50 hours?
We 're given three options.
1. Pay the admin/host PPO, who will pay WW as goods
2. Host will put up WW's pp addy and we each send her $ as goods
3. Host insists that WW invoice us as previously agreed on.
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 10:02 PM
Will the host accept the money as goods?
And why isn't there a fourth option?
4. Don't pay and let her sell it, only be out half the money, etc...
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sorry, not host, I mean Angelina
aufrog
06-29-2011, 10:06 PM
if she sells it won't they get back what they already paid her?
I say you all pay WW as goods and let her be out all the pp fees. :err: then again, I'm not part of it so have no actual say in it.
I do hope you all can get this figured out.
How many participants are there?
*Elf*
06-29-2011, 10:12 PM
Audrey, there is no guarantee that when she sells it, that she will refund them.
Hence being out only 1/2. And I don't truly believe that WAHM would allow them to send it to her as goods, but that is just me.
The screenshots I have say 15 but no guarantee it is accurate.
oh, I forgot
4. we do any of the above and it still goes up in farking flames. Sigh.
several people want to back out entirely.
Lolanae
06-29-2011, 10:29 PM
I can't blame them. She's acting so frakking shady.
If we don't pay, she says she will refund us the first half when she has sold every.last.skein. We ordered 71 skeins. There's a good chance that could take months. And Becky paid WW, who's to say that Becky would send up the money should she refund to Becky? Who's to say that WW would refund Becky since the 45 day limit will have expired?
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I think WW would refund any participants' payments sent to her as goods. She does not have the list of who ordered what I believe.
If we don't pay, she says she will refund us the first half when she has sold every.last.skein. We ordered 71 skeins. There's a good chance that could take months. And Becky paid WW, who's to say that Becky would send up the money should she refund to Becky? Who's to say that WW would refund Becky since the 45 day limit will have expired?
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I think WW would refund any participants' payments sent to her as goods. She does not have the list of who ordered what I believe.
That is a bunch of bullshit right there.
She cannot do that via PP rules. Someone needs to c all and speak directly with PP customer service (like one of the someones in charge over there). She cannot hold money for goods not delivered. Period. All that hosts needs to do is call PP and provide them proof of what she is saying and I would bet regardless of if the 45 days from that 710 payment was made is up or not, they will allow this claim.
That is a bunch of bull~POOP~ right there.
She cannot do that via PP rules. Someone needs to c all and speak directly with PP customer service (like one of the someones in charge over there). She cannot hold money for goods not delivered. Period. All that hosts needs to do is call PP and provide them proof of what she is saying and I would bet regardless of if the 45 days from that 710 payment was made is up or not, they will allow this claim.
Thing is, Becky paid the first half. Claim would have to come from BEcky. Becky the banned and now unbanned. I cannot see how someone not becky could file a claim.
However, the game has now evolved. WearingTaci said Becky the formerly Banned filed on our behalf as today is day 45.
What a frelling mess.
Jenga
06-29-2011, 10:56 PM
IMO Becky needs to file now and provide proof of where Angelina has said these things. Then everyone gets their money back.
nini02
06-29-2011, 11:01 PM
I am really glad to hear that Becky was able (and willing!) to file. I hope this ends up getting everyone's money back while the wahm is stuck with 71 skeins of super-secret-not-gonna-show-anyone-neener-neener yarn.
BackLitLeo
06-29-2011, 11:01 PM
I was going to ask why isn't there a "file with PP now and run the hell away" option. Honestly, I think this is the best thing for all involved. Hopefully Becky will refund everyone, as the 45 days are up for those that paid her now.
hilarious.
Okay I can see your group has no intention of completing this buy and is instead pursing a PayPal claim through Becky that goods were never delivered. Unfortunately for that story, I have every proof of order, communications, and finally, the product itself.
I will cancel the money request and assume your group is done with business. Thank you for your time and for your professionalism. It's not like children need to eat these days anyway.
Live Colorful~
Angelina
wildflower-whimsy.com
The bolded is very professional.
ciles
06-29-2011, 11:31 PM
wow- she's messed up in the head!
ceilismom
06-29-2011, 11:32 PM
Originally Posted by WearingTaci http://www.clothdiapernation.com/vbforums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.clothdiapernation.com/vbforums/showthread.php?p=13259016#post13259016)
Okay I can see your group has no intention of completing this buy and is instead pursing a PayPal claim through Becky that goods were never delivered. Unfortunately for that story, I have every proof of order, communications, and finally, the product itself.
I will cancel the money request and assume your group is done with business. Thank you for your time and for your professionalism. It's not like children need to eat these days anyway.
Live Colorful~
Angelina
wildflower-whimsy.com
Uh, wouldn't the part in red be evidence that the items were never delivered? Or am I just dense?
Lolanae
06-29-2011, 11:33 PM
Ten bucks the money is already spent on house hold needs with that statement.
mommyof3monsters
06-29-2011, 11:37 PM
Ten bucks the money is already spent on house hold needs with that statement.
:yeahthat:
aufrog
06-29-2011, 11:42 PM
money gone....too bad for her. She's going to have to work her tail off now to give pp her money back.
I'm glad becky took this action. This is the becky that I always dealt with. I hope she in turn refunds everyone without any hassle once the money is back in her hands.
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*their, not her..Give pp their money back.
BackLitLeo
06-29-2011, 11:47 PM
So, her defense to paypal is that she hasn't shipped the items? We'll see how that works out for her.
Flowerchild
06-29-2011, 11:51 PM
It really makes me mad when sellers say things like that. Sure, you might rely on this money to feed your children, but do you think that your customer's money grows on a tree in their backyard?
And of course, some of the people in the coop are buying the yarn for their own businesses. Who cares if their kids need feeding?
No telling if PP will find on our behalf. We're not out of the ballpark yet.
I still wanted the yarn if it looked reasonably like the stock photos but I doubt I'll see anything.
Thing is, Becky paid the first half. Claim would have to come from BEcky. Becky the banned and now unbanned. I cannot see how someone not becky could file a claim.
However, the game has now evolved. WearingTaci said Becky the formerly Banned filed on our behalf as today is day 45.
What a frelling mess.
yeah I meant whoever was in charge...I got lost on who got what money but I am SO glad becky filed this claim.
Uh, wouldn't the part in red be evidence that the items were never delivered? Or am I just dense?
That is what I was thinking too! PP does not give a rats ass if you have the product sitting there ready to go...you have to PROOOOOOVE delivery and showing them a pic that she still has it only proves it was never shipped or delivered :asshat:
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damn...smilie fail. I thought we had an asshat smilie here,lol!
Lolanae
06-30-2011, 12:08 AM
This one niki? :smartass:
nah the one I was thinking of has a wiggly buttocks on top a smilies head,lol must be from somewhere else but looking through, I think this one fits for her thinking that proving she still has the products in questions helps her.....
:wrong:
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okay OCD me had to go figure out where I had seen the freaking smilie and I found it...
http://fresh.forumcircle.com/forumdata/data45/fresh/images/smiles/mysmilie_376.gif
I feel better now :giggle: carry on.....
majic2lee
06-30-2011, 12:21 AM
Are we allowed to quote the rules post from YLU? I'll do it and take the banning. I'll be danged it I'm going to spend my money on a forum that feels the need to be rude and condescending towards it's members.
_melody_
06-30-2011, 12:22 AM
nah the one I was thinking of has a wiggly buttocks on top a smilies head,lol must be from somewhere else but looking through, I think this one fits for her thinking that proving she still has the products in questions helps her.....
:wrong:
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okay OCD me had to go figure out where I had seen the freaking smilie and I found it...
http://fresh.forumcircle.com/forumdata/data45/fresh/images/smiles/mysmilie_376.gif
I feel better now :giggle: carry on.....
We have this one too. :asshatsign: : asshatsign :
We have this one too. :asshatsign: : asshatsign:
Perfect!! thank you!! I missed that one!
silverlily
06-30-2011, 12:34 AM
She's something else. :sigh:
The admin/host told me that she hopes we all post JARs. Dang. Even if some of us post JARs, it's going to be JARapalooza.
mama Ra
06-30-2011, 12:42 AM
They say a picture is worth a thousand words......this picture saved me from using much too much profanity.
http://saintpetersblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/douchebag1.jpg
The admin/host told me that she hopes we all post JARs. Dang. Even if some of us post JARs, it's going to be JARapalooza.
:lol:
Dolphin_medic
06-30-2011, 01:10 AM
Ya know, if the new rules had been posted on YLU right as this started, I would have figured eh...clearly there's a conflict between elf and the board owners...and man alive was that childish.
Now that this has all gone down, and multiple people are dissatisfied with their yarn...NOT just elf and the WW dyer has frankly lost her ever lovin' mind... I'm left wondering WTF is wrong with the board owners there?!?!
The CE co-op would not be an issue based off those rules either :err:
I can't think of any colored string that is worth that risk.
*Elf*
06-30-2011, 01:17 AM
I posted this on Facebook and I am reposting here because some people will still go to YLU for coops :
If you are going to go to YLU to do coops, please do as "J" said, be way more careful of what dyer you use, make sure you double and triple check their FAQ page and the feedback they have, ask your friends if they have had issues, and I hate to say it because we REALLY shouldn't have to do this, but look on Ravelry and make sure that their dye job stays consistent.
There should be MILD color changes. Gaia/BFL will be muted, MMW/Cestari will be mid range and Superwash will be bright but they really really truly should not be all that different.
http://mosaicmoon.com/gallery/index.php?album=Wholesale-Yarn-Gallery&image=JUN3redming.jpg is a great example, Morwenna does an awesome job, also underneath she listed the bases in the photo.
Lolanae
06-30-2011, 01:22 AM
I love Morwenna. That picture is a perfect example of many different bases, small variation, and SHOCKER...they all still look like the same bloody colorway.
Dolphin_medic
06-30-2011, 01:30 AM
Damnit, please quit posting that colorway because every time I see it I want it more :miffed:
But yes, a very good example of the variations on the base and yet still the same colorway.
The colors all look the same to me. I see very little variance in tone, which of course is the point. If you know your craft and don't cut corners, you can get the right colors pretty consistently, I guess.
*Elf*
06-30-2011, 01:38 AM
Damnit, please quit posting that colorway because every time I see it I want it more :miffed:
But yes, a very good example of the variations on the base and yet still the same colorway.
sorry it is my new favorite and if/when I get pregnant again I want it for the baby, perfect baby stimulating colors
The colors all look the same to me. I see very little variance in tone, which of course is the point. If you know your craft and don't cut corners, you can get the right colors pretty consistently, I guess.
Yes, most definitely was the point. And I love that she does it with so many bases so you can tell what you will be getting.
She actually, GASP, uses a formula to make SURE that her yarns are pretty consistent, and oh wow, she WRITES it down.
And has beyond awesome customer service, that is what makes an awesome WAHM.
_melody_
06-30-2011, 02:32 AM
Are we allowed to quote the rules post from YLU? I'll do it and take the banning. I'll be danged it I'm going to spend my money on a forum that feels the need to be rude and condescending towards it's members.
Well, you wouldn't get banned from here for posting them, but we would ask that you respect their rules and not do it. We'd like for people to respect our wish that things not be taken from our private areas and posted elsewhere. In that same spirit, since that whole board is private we'd not want to encourage anyone to take things from there and post them on CDN. The final decision, however, is yours.
majic2lee
06-30-2011, 03:05 AM
I get that Mel :sigh: But you would think that board rules wouldn't be private... ugh, I totally get that, though. Thanks for answering.
Regardless - For anyone that wants to go sign up and read them :err: They take the time to spell out how apparently coop participants have no real brains, need to do their own homework on how colorways look on all bases, how the beauty of hand dyed yarn is soooo beautiful, and how if you have an issue you can basically just suck it - oh, and taking a complaint (ie - FEEDBACK) off the board will not be tolerated and is bannable. :crazy:
*Elf*
06-30-2011, 03:11 AM
JAR is out :woohoo:
I was a little worried that they would think I was psycho and not push it through but :yay: they probably still think I'm crazy but at least they pushed it through.
Dolphin_medic
06-30-2011, 03:54 AM
That went out quickly, my guess is that they have ties into this environment and have heard the rumblings of what has been going on.
:hi5: Thank you for filing
frainfam
06-30-2011, 03:11 PM
Read the JAR, good job stating all the facts, Elf!
*Elf*
06-30-2011, 03:13 PM
Thanks Dawne
Now, I'm waiting on the rebuttal from her :twitch: I can't wait to see what she accuses me of.
Lolanae
06-30-2011, 03:15 PM
With the way she has been wording things lately Elf, she'll probably just show her ass more.
romanlili
06-30-2011, 03:17 PM
With the way she has been wording things lately Elf, she'll probably just show her ass more.
She must have a huge ass. :err: :giggle:
isaacsmomma
06-30-2011, 03:37 PM
Can you link the JAR?
*Elf*
06-30-2011, 03:43 PM
Can you link the JAR?
No.
You have to join the group to see the JARs.
Here is a link to the group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JuicyAppleReport/
aufrog
06-30-2011, 03:51 PM
Elf, I think it sounds great
kmz3301
06-30-2011, 09:49 PM
Wow. I hope everyone gets made whole on this mess.
*Elf*
06-30-2011, 09:59 PM
Jaz, do you have any GOOD news to report?
Good news, good news. My daughter said "Mine!" for the first time yesterday (it's exciting when you consider the speech delay). Trey is now army crawling all over the place but still doesn't like real food. Primero counted to 39 in the car today. My husband will be receiving another job offer in the next couple days and we will then choose if we're staying west coast or moving back east. Oh, you meant the coop? Nope. One person is now bitching about how she wanted their yarn, subtext "you all ruined it for me!"
*Elf*
06-30-2011, 10:46 PM
Good news, good news. My daughter said "Mine!" for the first time yesterday (it's exciting when you consider the speech delay). Trey is now army crawling all over the place but still doesn't like real food. Primero counted to 39 in the car today. My husband will be receiving another job offer in the next couple days and we will then choose if we're staying west coast or moving back east. Oh, you meant the coop? Nope. One person is now bitching about how she wanted their yarn, subtext "you all ruined it for me!"
To the bold: :toofunny:
To the unbolded: :sigh: I'm sorry.
jujusmommy
06-30-2011, 11:15 PM
Good news, good news. My daughter said "Mine!" for the first time yesterday (it's exciting when you consider the speech delay). Trey is now army crawling all over the place but still doesn't like real food. Primero counted to 39 in the car today. My husband will be receiving another job offer in the next couple days and we will then choose if we're staying west coast or moving back east. Oh, you meant the coop? Nope. One person is now bitching about how she wanted their yarn, subtext "you all ruined it for me!"
She can still get her yarn...it will probably be up for sale soon. :err:
That's a very good point!
*Elf*
06-30-2011, 11:51 PM
Wait, you all are going to let her sell the yarn and wait for a refund?
silverlily
06-30-2011, 11:55 PM
Even if pp sides with Becky, and returns the $710 (or was it $720), if Angelina already dyed the yarn, she will probably try and sell it.
Wait, you all are going to let her sell the yarn and wait for a refund?
We can't 'let' her or not let her do anything with the yarn right now. Right now we're waiting on the PP claim; for better or for worse I don't expect to see any of my yarn at all. There's a PP claim - if they don't find in our favor, we're all screwed I think.
*Elf*
07-01-2011, 12:02 AM
ok so when Becky filed she stopped talking, and so to get the 710 you have to have PP file in your favor?
:hugs:
ciles
07-01-2011, 12:26 AM
eek- this is a big mess:(
ok so when Becky filed she stopped talking, and so to get the 710 you have to have PP file in your favor?
:hugs:
Exactly. Well, not quite. She did get one last jab in after Becky filed, Angelina sent the email where she said:
Okay I can see your group has no intention of completing this buy and is instead pursing a PayPal claim through Becky that goods were never delivered. Unfortunately for that story, I have every proof of order, communications, and finally, the product itself.
I will cancel the money request and assume your group is done with business. Thank you for your time and for your professionalism. It's not like children need to eat these days anyway.
*Elf*
07-01-2011, 02:24 AM
Exactly. Well, not quite. She did get one last jab in after Becky filed, Angelina sent the email where she said:
Oh yeah I remember that now that you mention it.
Has anyone else noticed the rash of JARs lately?
mysticmomma
07-01-2011, 07:04 PM
thank you for putting this in the open.
If you want to look at our yarn, here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cinnamonstitches/sets/72157627093338688/) it is!
This are my colorways.
Coop Equinox
http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/coopequinox.jpg
Stock photo of Equinox
http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/equinoxlts.jpg
Coop Stephen
http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/coopstephen.jpg
Stephen stock photo
http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/stephen1.jpg
mama2myangels09
07-01-2011, 09:47 PM
way lighter then the stock pics. it looks like in some skeins she used more dye then in others.
kwootten2
07-01-2011, 09:47 PM
Is it my eyes, or is that Stephen on the far right green instead of blue?
mama2myangels09
07-01-2011, 09:49 PM
Is it my eyes, or is that Stephen on the far right green instead of blue?
i do see shades of green in there.
*Elf*
07-01-2011, 09:53 PM
oh my goodness, her flickr account titles are SO unprofessional.
And :hugs: Jaz, they look nothing like the stock photo
QueenRainbow
07-01-2011, 09:53 PM
Nice little "unpaid" jab there too. :eyeroll: She's so klassy.
There are larger photos at these links
Flickr Stephen (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cinnamonstitches/5891342541/in/set-72157627093338688)
Flickr Equinox (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cinnamonstitches/5891909078/in/set-72157627093338688/)
I wanted to save pics to my photobucket so they don't disappear but they got tiny along the way.
aschrimp
07-01-2011, 09:54 PM
way lighter then the stock pics. it looks like in some skeins she used more dye then in others.
The skeins of "Stephen" that are way lighter are probably the bamboo blends - the shimmery silvery fiber is the bamboo that doesn't actually take the acid dyes, but the wool in the blend does.
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