Wildflower Whimsy

[mbphoto]

I am assuming that the co-op yarns are a variety of bases? Different bases take dye very differently. Some of those do look pretty close.

[jaz]

My colorways turned out very pretty but not what I expected.

[DaynaR]

It looks like maybe it was taken with the flash on? I can't get why two stephans look right and then the other 2 look horrid. Unless they really are just that washed out.
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The skeins of "Stephen" that are way lighter are probably the bamboo blends - the shimmery silvery fiber is the bamboo that doesn't actually take the acid dyes, but the wool in the blend does.

Oh, it's Bamboo, that makes sense.

[mbphoto]

honestly, I cant see anything in those pictures other than base variations. I think it looks pretty good, no?

[*Elf*]

The skeins of "Stephen" that are way lighter are probably the bamboo blends - the shimmery silvery fiber is the bamboo that doesn't actually take the acid dyes, but the wool in the blend does.

and yet Morwenna manages to get the colorways all pretty dang close to each other

[QueenRainbow]

2 of the Stephen look pretty right on. But the other 2 look really pale, like the dye didn't take or something. Are they on different bases?

[*Elf*]

honestly, I cant see anything in those pictures other than base variations. I think it looks pretty good, no?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cinnamonstitches/5891904454/in/set-72157627093338688

Granola Funk

http://www.wildflower-whimsy.com/color/gfunksu.jpg
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/cinnamonstitches/5891904454/in/set-72157627093338688

flickr hates me

[jaz]

My Stephen skein was supposed to be Merino Tencel sock. I also had a skein of Equinox Merino Tencel sock and two skeins of Equinox Lotus worsted.

[*Elf*]

so no way are they bamboo, that's just sock yarn, it is superwash, it sucks up dye and she doesn't compensate for that fact

[jaz]

The lotus is the bamboo blend so why do all the equinox skeins look the same? And wouldn't the sock yarn be the thinnest yarn? So why are the thinnest Stephen skeins the bamboo looking ones? Is sock the same weight as worsted?
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And yes, I confess I buy yarn and I don't know the bases or what I'm going to use them for.

[*Elf*]

Bamboo can be used for anything. (didn't know lotus was bamboo) and no idea

Sock is definitely not the same as worsted, you have to have like 4 strands of sock to equal Worsted.

[aschrimp]

and yet Morwenna manages to get the colorways all pretty dang close to each other

Does mosaic moon dye a bamboo *blend*? I can't find a list of fibers offered anywhere. I am not trying to defend WW, because she definately should have made your order right, and yours was *not* a bamboo blend, but you simply cannot color bamboo fiber with acid dyes.

When dyeing a blend you would dye the fiber that makes up the largest part of the blend with the appropriate dye (ie if it is a 30% bamboo/70% wool you would use acid dyes, if it is 30% wool/70% bamboo you would use fiber reactive dyes). The remaining fiber would be undeyed and would lend a halo or sheen to the yarn. Most people like the look. I've seen the silvery sheen noted on many dyers fiber option pages, and even on the information about the undyed yarn bases.

Now, if Mosaic Moon dyes a 100% bamboo fiber, then they could use fiber reactive dyes and get full color saturation. But if it's a blend you've got to pick one or the other. The processes are totally different, you can't just mix the dyes up and apply them both at once.

[*Elf*]

I'm pretty sure she does, I'll look

[aschrimp]

My Stephen skein was supposed to be Merino Tencel sock. I also had a skein of Equinox Merino Tencel sock and two skeins of Equinox Lotus worsted.

A Tencel blend will be the same as a bamboo blend in the way it takes dye. The tencel fiber in the blend is not a protein fiber, it is a cellulose fiber. It won't take acid dyes.

[jaz]

For you elf, Granola Funk side by side.

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/granolafunl.jpg

http://www.wildflower-whimsy.com/color/gfunksu.jpg

[*Elf*]

Still looking , but I've just gotta say:


I :wub: Morwenna, I was looking on her policy page and :

*Returns
We will take back any item for ANY reason, provided it's in like-new condition, within 30 days of your purchase. ANY reason, such as 'I'm not sure I like the yarn', 'I changed my mind', 'the color looked different on my monitor', etc. We at Mosaic Moon want our customers to be happy! We want you to be able to buy with confidence. Our only provision is that we will deduct the actual shipping cost of your order from your refund. We regret that we cannot accept returns on custom orders.

[abmama]

No, Jaz, sock and worsted are quite different weights. And I thought Lotus was a superwash, but I could be mistaken.

And if I had ordered "Emperor" I think i'd be unhappy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cinnamonstitches/5891904860/in/set-72157627093338688/ As I recall Emperor should have black (as in "emperor penguin") but there's not much black in that.

[*Elf*]

Lotus is superwash merino wool

http://www.wildflower-whimsy.com/catalog.php?category=40
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And the other stuff must have been Sakura: http://www.wildflower-whimsy.com/catalog.php?category=42

[jaz]

Ok, I looked up the coop orders. We ordered two skeins of lotus (bamboo blend, cannot find the %) and two of Merino Tencel sock for both Equinox and Stephen. Shouldn't the Equinox have the same discrepency in color saturation as the Stephen? The equinox seems all very similar in saturation.

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/coopstephen.jpg
http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/coopequinox.jpg
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. Never mind. The Equinox is half sakura and half sock and the Stephen is half lotus and half sock. Totally wrong I was.

[*Elf*]

In general if there is going to be a base discrepancy it should be across the board, yes.

I'm not big on base discrepancy, in case you all couldn't tell. I'm gonna assume that a really awesome dyer would dye the wool and go back and dye the bamboo if need be to get the color accurate but maybe I'm just dreaming.

I asked Morwenna if she has any bamboo blends of yarn, she is in the process of switching to a new site so a bunch of things are down.

[jaz]

Because I'm having reading comprehension issues. gah

[aschrimp]

I would think that the two darker of the Stephen are not tencel or bamboo blends. The lighter Stephens and the equinox both look like what I would expect with a bamboo or tencel blend, but those two darker stephens are way to saturated for a blend with a cellulose fiber. IMHO.

[*Elf*]

Because I'm having reading comprehension issues. gah

no, chalk it up to dyers renaming their bases .

[jaz]

Pixie is super washed out. I would not be happy to get this.

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/pixie2.jpg
http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/pixie.jpg

[aschrimp]

In general if there is going to be a base discrepancy it should be across the board, yes.

I'm not big on base discrepancy, in case you all couldn't tell. I'm gonna assume that a really awesome dyer would dye the wool and go back and dye the bamboo if need be to get the color accurate but maybe I'm just dreaming.

I asked Morwenna if she has any bamboo blends of yarn, she is in the process of switching to a new site so a bunch of things are down.


The dye process for coloring the cellulose fibers would likely damage the wool. Soda ash is not something I'd want to soak my wool in. I've never heard of a dyer doing this.

Additionally you simply could not do this with kettle dyed yarn, since the color is random and not in any sort of replicatable color blocks. You'd get a muddy mess.

[jaz]

One of the pixie is sock, the others are lily, whatever that is.

[Lolanae]

That pixie is horrible.

[abmama]

I thought the pixie looked very pale, but couldn't quite remember what pixie looked like. I wasn't sure if her gallery was accessible at the moment. Now seeing the stock photo and the co op photo....:shakeshead:
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:shakehead:

[JennyHadAVision]

The pixie would piss me off!

Jaz, it's not as advertised, but the Equinox is beautiful. I understand being upset that it's not what you thought you were getting but the silver lining on that is that what you DID get happens to be really pretty.

[*Elf*]

The dye process for coloring the cellulose fibers would likely damage the wool. Soda ash is not something I'd want to soak my wool in. I've never heard of a dyer doing this.

Additionally you simply could not do this with kettle dyed yarn, since the color is random and not in any sort of replicatable color blocks. You'd get a muddy mess.

I will confess to knowing nothing about dyeing bamboo, I know about superwash wool and pretty much anything wool , cashmere, silk.

But if it is going to look THAT much different, put in a caveat! It isn't that hard to say, XXX bases will look VERY muted . At the top of the base, etc....

[jaz]

Calliope
stock
http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/calliopenb.jpg
coop
http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/calliopecoop.jpg
Two bluebell, two lotus

[silverlily]

I looked at the pixie and actually loved the gray with the hint of purple...but holy moly NOT if I was expecting that stock photo :nono:

[magpiedpiper]

It would be interesting to see what the yarn looks in a buyer's photo versus the coop ones in her flickr. Because wasn't there a difference between someone else's actual yarn versus the coop photo WW took, which was then different from the stock photo? If that makes sense anyway...

[jaz]

The pixie would piss me off!

Jaz, it's not as advertised, but the Equinox is beautiful. I understand being upset that it's not what you thought you were getting but the silver lining on that is that what you DID get happens to be really pretty.

NotJenny, she's selling these because the hot filed a claim on her; I'm not going to get the equinox. But I agree, the Equinox is beautiful and if I'd expected it to look like that I'd be overjoyed if I had received it.

She was going to hold our refund until all the skeins were sold. Who would buy the pixie when the discrepancy is that bad?

[aschrimp]

I will confess to knowing nothing about dyeing bamboo, I know about superwash wool and pretty much anything wool , cashmere, silk.

But if it is going to look THAT much different, put in a caveat! It isn't that hard to say, XXX bases will look VERY muted . At the top of the base, etc....

I agree. Most dyers who offer these bases do, that I've seen, anyway.

Still looking , but I've just gotta say:


I :wub: Morwenna, I was looking on her policy page and :

*Returns
We will take back any item for ANY reason, provided it's in like-new condition, within 30 days of your purchase. ANY reason, such as 'I'm not sure I like the yarn', 'I changed my mind', 'the color looked different on my monitor', etc. We at Mosaic Moon want our customers to be happy! We want you to be able to buy with confidence. Our only provision is that we will deduct the actual shipping cost of your order from your refund. We regret that we cannot accept returns on custom orders.

This, honestly, is probably the biggest difference in customer satisfaction. If she had fixed your yarn immediately and without complaint, or refunded you right away, you would still probably be a reasonably satisfied customer, and she would not have lost anything, since she almost certainly could have sold your yarn. She just would have to have listed it as a one-off and taken individual photos.

[*Elf*]

I agree. Most dyers who offer these bases do, that I've seen, anyway.



This, honestly, is probably the biggest difference in customer satisfaction. If she had fixed your yarn immediately and without complaint, or refunded you right away, you would still probably be a reasonably satisfied customer, and she would not have lost anything, since she almost certainly could have sold your yarn. She just would have to have listed it as a one-off and taken individual photos.

Yup the most I would have said would have been, my yarn didn't come out as I expected but she quickly refunded me. And I still would recommend her. I might give a caveat about watecolors but that would have been it.

[jaz]

Host, not hot. *sigh* I need a snack.

[debmom]

what a hot mess!

Elf you were not wrong! (will check my email in a bit for JAR report).

Hope the DS coop participants get there $$ back.

And yes-HIGH FIVE for DS mods!

[KRusso]

As far as I know, MM does not offer a bamboo blend yarn.

[mommyz]

:chocolate: jaz?

i wouldn't be happy with the ones compared. :nono:

[TNB]

So the host that filed against WW is the same one who had been banned for taking money or product or something...yes?

So was that whole thing resolved and she was cleared then?

[jaz]

So the host that filed against WW is the same one who had been banned for taking money or product or something...yes?

So was that whole thing resolved and she was cleared then?

Yes to the first, who knows to the second.

[mommyz]

i believe she was brought back to fix this issue... help them out since they couldn't file w/o her... correct me if i'm wrong, peeps. what happens after this though? will she be rebanned?

[SisterEncarnacion]

WOW @ the Kelso & Emperor differences..

[*Elf*]

Yeah, I'm mean. :err:

[jaz]

i believe she was brought back to fix this issue... help them out since they couldn't file w/o her... correct me if i'm wrong, peeps. what happens after this though? will she be rebanned?

No idea to the bolded. I hope we are refunded because she was honorable in refunding the previous payment to us. That reminds me, I'm going to go dash a thank you to her for filing on our behalves.
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and thanks for the chocolate. I had an english muffin with butter and jam but chocolate sounds good, too.

[*Elf*]

No idea to the bolded. I hope we are refunded because she was honorable in refunding the previous payment to us. That reminds me, I'm going to go dash a thank you to her for filing on our behalves.
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and thanks for the chocolate. I had an english muffin with butter and jam but chocolate sounds good, too.

:drool:

[Elle_Emme]

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/pixie2.jpg


This photo is heavily edited, if you look at the shadow edge you can see it. What she has done is bumped her contrast up really high until her whites are super white and her colors are darker. Hold on a minute and I will do it with her actual co-op picture to show you.

[silverlily]

I think her biggest problem is these pictures...they're clearly edited nine ways to Sunday, and a huge misrepresentation of her skill.

[Elle_Emme]

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/pixie.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/268076_10150355802770898_646320897_9989862_295545_ n.jpg

[Dolphin_medic]

Ok, some of those are way off, some are not so bad. A couple thoughts:

1. Wonder what the yarn REALLY looks like...considering the discrepancy in the other coop between actual yarn and pics.

2. How does she expect to sell the yarn with snarky comments and all of the shitstorm she's created?!?

3. Some of those yarns are very pretty, not necessarily like they should be but pretty non-the-less.

[mommyz]

woooooooooooooooow!!! yep, yep. that's what she's been doing. shady.

[*Elf*]

Ok, some of those are way off, some are not so bad. A couple thoughts:

1. Wonder what the yarn REALLY looks like...considering the discrepancy in the other coop between actual yarn and pics.

2. How does she expect to sell the yarn with snarky comments and all of the ~POOP~storm she's created?!?

3. Some of those yarns are very pretty, not necessarily like they should be but pretty non-the-less.

The snarky comments under the pictures are from me :err:

[Dolphin_medic]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/268076_10150355802770898_646320897_9989862_295545_ n.jpg
:speechless: Yea, that looks about like what she's doing

[*Elf*]

:speechless: Yea, that looks about like what she's doing

Yes but that = false advertising, or whatever you call it.

[Dolphin_medic]

The snarky comments under the pictures are from me :err:

:lol: I was talking about the comment about the co-op that ruined it all and the DS non-payment comment.

Actually I didn't think yours were that snarky...just FYIs

[Dolphin_medic]

Yes but that = false advertising, or whatever you call it.

False advertising, misrepresentation, pick your poison.

[Elle_Emme]

I know what she is doing because I have played around with my colors enough as I am learning to see it. It isn't hard to do if you are not understanding color and trying to "pop" colors.

[*Elf*]

I know what she is doing because I have played around with my colors enough as I am learning to see it. It isn't hard to do if you are not understanding color and trying to "pop" colors.

yeah but not hard to look at the pictures and then the yarn and say, oh shit it doesn't look the same, and re-fix the color.

[mysticmomma]

I hope paypal sides with us. seeing the pictures of my yarn is disgusting.

[*Elf*]

I hope paypal sides with us. seeing the pictures of my yarn is disgusting.

:hugs:

[Elle_Emme]

I have to admit, I ignored this thread for a long time since I am not much of a yarn buyer, and for some reason got sucked into it... I have eaten 2 KK cream filled doughnuts while reading it and now feel sick from the sugar :laugh:

[*Elf*]

I have to admit, I ignored this thread for a long time since I am not much of a yarn buyer, and for some reason got sucked into it... I have eaten 2 KK cream filled doughnuts while reading it and now feel sick from the sugar :laugh:

:toofunny: but are you sure it isn't sick to stomach from the crappy yarn? :err:

[mysticmomma]

its the yarn

[mommyz]

I have to admit, I ignored this thread for a long time since I am not much of a yarn buyer, and for some reason got sucked into it... I have eaten 2 KK cream filled doughnuts while reading it and now feel sick from the sugar :laugh:

:toofunny: but are you sure it isn't sick to stomach from the crappy yarn? :err:
:toofunny: to both!

[Elle_Emme]

either the crappy yarn, or the idea that she might walk away with $710...

[Lolanae]

either the crappy yarn, or the idea that she might walk away with $710...

On top of whatever she makes from selling the DS coop yarn.

She's klassy like that!

[Elle_Emme]

klassy, cuntly, spoogy, the list goes on...

[mysticmomma]

ew. I had not entertained the idea of her selling it and actually making double.

[nini02]

The dispute was filed in time (barely) and she has flat out said she's not sending the yarn, I can't imagine why or how Paypal would side with her. Maybe I'm just too much of an optimist? I just don't see how she has a case.


And to my eye, most (but definitely not all!) of that yarn actually looks pretty good in those pictures, like Meg said, like differences in bases. Who knows if the pictures are accurate though, any more than her stock ones. I've gotten MM with variances similar to some of those before and when I posted asking about it (on DS) was told 'yarn base variance' by about a million people. :lol:

[mysticmomma]

what is a pink cookiie?

[*Elf*]

spoogy?

[Elle_Emme]

pink cookie is a filter for the C word.

spooge = the mix of stuff that runs down your leg after DH's deopsit.

[*Elf*]

ew. I had not entertained the idea of her selling it and actually making double.

it would be more than triple. Assume that she made 20 per skein but normally charges 25. You paid 710 so normal price from being sold would be 1775 because you only paid 1/2 so she could potentially walk away with 2485

The dispute was filed in time (barely) and she has flat out said she's not sending the yarn, I can't imagine why or how Paypal would side with her. Maybe I'm just too much of an optimist? I just don't see how she has a case.


And to my eye, most (but definitely not all!) of that yarn actually looks pretty good in those pictures, like Meg said, like differences in bases. Who knows if the pictures are accurate though, any more than her stock ones. I've gotten MM with variances similar to some of those before and when I posted asking about it (on DS) was told 'yarn base variance' by about a million people. :lol:

Yeah. I may have said it in the past. But yeah, never again. A yarn base variance should be minor and should only slightly mute or brighten a color.

[mysticmomma]

lol

[*Elf*]

pink cookie is a filter for the C word.

spooge = the mix of stuff that runs down your leg after DH's deopsit.

:puke:

[nini02]

Yeah. I may have said it in the past. But yeah, never again. A yarn base variance should be minor and should only slightly mute or brighten a color.

FWIW this (http://mosaicmoon.com/gallery/index.php?album=Wholesale-Yarn-Gallery&image=20090827194020_aug27jacobsladder.jpg) was the colorway I ordered and this (http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/nini0207/DSCF5168.jpg) is what I got - very little bright blue, more of the olive/rust, and overall much darker to my eye. But I actually loved how it came out so I was fine with keeping it.

[aufrog]

pink cookie is a filter for the C word.

spooge = the mix of stuff that runs down your leg after DH's deopsit.


:lmao: After everything in this thread seeing the definition of spooge written out is priceless.

[DaynaR]

FWIW this (http://mosaicmoon.com/gallery/index.php?album=Wholesale-Yarn-Gallery&image=20090827194020_aug27jacobsladder.jpg) was the colorway I ordered and this (http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/nini0207/DSCF5168.jpg) is what I got - very little bright blue, more of the olive/rust, and overall much darker to my eye. But I actually loved how it came out so I was fine with keeping it.

IMO that's normal variance. All the colors are there, just in different amounts. Nothing added, nothing missing.

[*Elf*]

FWIW this (http://mosaicmoon.com/gallery/index.php?album=Wholesale-Yarn-Gallery&image=20090827194020_aug27jacobsladder.jpg) was the colorway I ordered and this (http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/nini0207/DSCF5168.jpg) is what I got - very little bright blue, more of the olive/rust, and overall much darker to my eye. But I actually loved how it came out so I was fine with keeping it.

yeah but with MM you could have contacted her, she would have replaced minus shipping

[nini02]

IMO that's normal variance. All the colors are there, just in different amounts. Nothing added, nothing missing.

Yeah (though I would say on the very edge of normal, IMO) I'm just saying that that's all I see in a lot of the WW stuff in that latest Flickr set too - what looks like pretty normal variance. Not like Elf's poor Nine Mile (or whatever it was called) and that Pixie that looks just plain gray.
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yeah but with MM you could have contacted her, she would have replaced minus shipping

Oh I know, but like I said I liked how it turned out so I was fine with keeping it. :)

[JennyHadAVision]

You know, I've gone from, "damnit, now I want a kreme filled donut" to "I am never eating kreme filled donuts again" in the space of like a page and a half.

[jaz]

Welcome, mysticmomma! Too bad it had to take such a sorry event to bring you here, but now that you are, I hope you stay!
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kreme = abomination unto Nuggen. Cream = tasty dairy product made into delectable creamy good things like cream fillings.

[mommyz]

You know, I've gone from, "damnit, now I want a kreme filled donut" to "I am never eating kreme filled donuts again" in the space of like a page and a half.
:toofunny:did the word spooge did it for you?

[jaz]

Hey, Z, I thought your 'puter done did die!

[mommyz]

its death is going slowly. :looky: wants to make a huge YAGE on us. :giggle:

[*Elf*]

its death is going slowly. :looky: wants to make a huge YAGE on us. :giggle:

you can call my hubby, he might be able to help, I can't guarantee it, but he is normally willing to try

[pantufla]

Ok, here's my issue. Supposing I know nothing about yarn. First, I try to buy yarn with fiber names like "lotus". Then I pick a yarn from the picture. Ok, great. A month later I receive some yarn that doesn't look much like what I picked out. How am I supposed to know that different bases take color differently? Clearly, even in this thread, there are plenty of people who don't know the ins and outs of fiber dyes, and yet are fairly experienced yarn buyers. It should not be the customer's fault that the product doesn't look like the picture. Yes, yes, caveat emptor and all that. But I should be able to look at the picture and say, ok, so my yarn won't be exactly what's pictured, but pretty darn close. If a different yarn base makes the yarn take color differently, there should be a picture of that. Because in essence, it's a different product.

[aschrimp]

I agree. Many indie yarn dyers do a much better job of illustrating the differences in fibers, especially ones that take dyes *significantly* differently, like a blend with bamboo, tencel, cotton or seasilk. Or, like MM, they may choose to only carry 100% wool in the interest of keeping things predictable for thier buyers. Most have a fairly liberal return policy for unused yarn that hasn't been reskeined, since they don't loose anything by reselling. Those are definately things that WW could do better. But she can't get the bamboo fiber in a bamboo blend to take color from an acid dye.

[kwootten2]

Ok, here's my issue. Supposing I know nothing about yarn. First, I try to buy yarn with fiber names like "lotus". Then I pick a yarn from the picture. Ok, great. A month later I receive some yarn that doesn't look much like what I picked out. How am I supposed to know that different bases take color differently? Clearly, even in this thread, there are plenty of people who don't know the ins and outs of fiber dyes, and yet are fairly experienced yarn buyers. It should not be the customer's fault that the product doesn't look like the picture. Yes, yes, caveat emptor and all that. But I should be able to look at the picture and say, ok, so my yarn won't be exactly what's pictured, but pretty darn close. If a different yarn base makes the yarn take color differently, there should be a picture of that. Because in essence, it's a different product.

This is what I've been saying since this whole mess started! If she'd shown even ONE colorway on all of the available bases as an example, it would have given people a reasonable idea of what to expect as far as how the dyes would take, potential color saturation, etc. To only show pictures of the boldest and brightest option without a word that it could and probably would be dramatically different is pretty disreputable, IMO. And then to doctor your image colors on top of that... :shakehead:

[JennyHadAVision]

Ok, here's my issue. Supposing I know nothing about yarn. First, I try to buy yarn with fiber names like "lotus". Then I pick a yarn from the picture. Ok, great. A month later I receive some yarn that doesn't look much like what I picked out. How am I supposed to know that different bases take color differently? Clearly, even in this thread, there are plenty of people who don't know the ins and outs of fiber dyes, and yet are fairly experienced yarn buyers. It should not be the customer's fault that the product doesn't look like the picture. Yes, yes, caveat emptor and all that. But I should be able to look at the picture and say, ok, so my yarn won't be exactly what's pictured, but pretty darn close. If a different yarn base makes the yarn take color differently, there should be a picture of that. Because in essence, it's a different product.

No kidding! I will be buying no more yarn (as a novice) without pestering people with a bazillion questions. But taking pictures of ONLY the most brilliant and eyecatching base is shady. I understand if she can't put every colorway on every base but at least ONE colorway should be shown on ALL bases so people can go in knowing that their bamboo/linen/latvian long haired cat fiber will be different.

[*Elf*]

No kidding! I will be buying no more yarn (as a novice) without pestering people with a bazillion questions. But taking pictures of ONLY the most brilliant and eyecatching base is shady. I understand if she can't put every colorway on every base but at least ONE colorway should be shown on ALL bases so people can go in knowing that their bamboo/linen/latvian long haired cat fiber will be different.

No the problem is that she EDITS the photos.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cinnamonstitches/5877563233/in/set-72157626937014057

this shows it clearly, her shadows are ORANGE.

this isn't a better photo cause it was night but ^^^^^ is some of my yarn too.

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww234/EgoElfWife/Daybreak002.jpg

[kwootten2]

I'm kind of shocked that your comments are there 17 hours later, Elf!

[mommyz]

ooo what comments? i missed that.

[*Elf*]

I'm kind of shocked that your comments are there 17 hours later, Elf!

LOL, me too. I'm debating putting comments on the YLU coop.

ooo what comments? i missed that.

Well, see, I'm a bitch when you get me pissed off.

Yeah, so I went to the "unpaid DS coop" thing and I posted the link to the picture of the stock photo on every s.i.n.g.l.e photo in the photostream, some of them with snarky comments.

[mommyz]

nvm, i found it. :giggle:
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woooooooow! none of those look like the stock pic.
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ok, i take that back... ONE looked like the stock pic. :shakehead:

[mysticmomma]

hi jaz!

[*Elf*]

nvm, i found it. :giggle:
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woooooooow! none of those look like the stock pic.
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ok, i take that back... ONE looked like the stock pic. :shakehead:

which one?

[mommyz]

this one came pretty close, that's about it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cinnamonstitches/5891908368/in/set-72157627093338688

[*Elf*]

yup, lol, that's the only one I could find too. Some of the others seemed close but something just seemed off and I couldn't put my finger on it.

[TNB]

Ok, here's my issue. Supposing I know nothing about yarn. First, I try to buy yarn with fiber names like "lotus". Then I pick a yarn from the picture. Ok, great. A month later I receive some yarn that doesn't look much like what I picked out. How am I supposed to know that different bases take color differently? Clearly, even in this thread, there are plenty of people who don't know the ins and outs of fiber dyes, and yet are fairly experienced yarn buyers. It should not be the customer's fault that the product doesn't look like the picture. Yes, yes, caveat emptor and all that. But I should be able to look at the picture and say, ok, so my yarn won't be exactly what's pictured, but pretty darn close. If a different yarn base makes the yarn take color differently, there should be a picture of that. Because in essence, it's a different product.


I totally agree here. I do not know squat about yarn dying/bases/etc and I would come in as a new customer. totally blind to what I was getting expect for the pics I had to look at.
Getting something so varied from the pic I was seeing would really upset me because I would have no understanding at all of all this tech stuff that has been talked about.
They should all be different pics and people choose the color they want on the actual bases being used, not have to guess if the colors they chose will end up close or not from the base they chose.

[momofdolls]

I agree. Many indie yarn dyers do a much better job of illustrating the differences in fibers, especially ones that take dyes *significantly* differently, like a blend with bamboo, tencel, cotton or seasilk. Or, like MM, they may choose to only carry 100% wool in the interest of keeping things predictable for thier buyers. Most have a fairly liberal return policy for unused yarn that hasn't been reskeined, since they don't loose anything by reselling. Those are definately things that WW could do better. But she can't get the bamboo fiber in a bamboo blend to take color from an acid dye.

Ok - since you seem to be the most informed out of all us regarding dye procedures...what is the best way to attempt to get the saturation in the mixed fibers? (bamboo/wool) You said that acid dye wouldn't work on that as well - and we can all see that very clearly. But would dying it with a different dye give more color that is truer to the stock photos?

Also - I got 2 skeins from an ATTD coop a few years ago that are different. ONe is more vibrant, and one looks washed out. When I contacted my host at the time, I was told the same thing....it was variation and that *no one* else had complaints. I had never been in a coop with ATTD before. Now I have 2 skeins that are clearly 'related' but useless to me and unsellable! So ELF, Hats off to you girly! :hi5:

[jaz]

FWIW, I have yarn from a ATTD coop that is extremely faded, too. I was upset but I didn't know enough to complain.

[MamaHellCat]

Ok - since you seem to be the most informed out of all us regarding dye procedures...what is the best way to attempt to get the saturation in the mixed fibers? (bamboo/wool) You said that acid dye wouldn't work on that as well - and we can all see that very clearly. But would dying it with a different dye give more color that is truer to the stock photos?

Also - I got 2 skeins from an ATTD coop a few years ago that are different. ONe is more vibrant, and one looks washed out. When I contacted my host at the time, I was told the same thing....it was variation and that *no one* else had complaints. I had never been in a coop with ATTD before. Now I have 2 skeins that are clearly 'related' but useless to me and unsellable! So ELF, Hats off to you girly! :hi5:

I believe Andrea already mentioned this, but for yarns that are a mix of protein and cellulose fibers, you would base the type of dye that you use on the fiber with the highest percentage in the yarn. For instance, you have a yarn that is 80% wool/ 20% bamboo, you would use acid dyes, which are for protein fibers. You can't really separate the different fiber types in the yarn, it doesn't work that way.

As for getting a yarn that seems more washed out than another skein of the same colorway, it could just be that the dyer did not use a consistent amount of dye stock in both skeins. Having a recipe for the dye solutions that one uses and keeping that consistent is really the best way to ensure that skeins dyed in different dye lots are similar.

If you have a project that you know is going to take more than one skein to complete, your best bet is going to be having all your yarn come from the same dye lot, ie the same dyeing session.

This happens in commercially dyed yarns and fibers as well. If you look at the label on a skein of yarn you purchase at say, hobby lobby, along with the specifics of that yarn is usually a dye lot number.

[jaz]

ATTD

My Thanksgiving on BFL
http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad203/jazterphotos/Yarn/IMG_5508.jpg
Stock photo on BFL
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2427/3817400037_4e8e3bcff8.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/atimetodye/3817400037/)
Thanksgiving (http://www.flickr.com/photos/atimetodye/3817400037/) by atimetodye (http://www.flickr.com/people/atimetodye/), on Flickr

What I got was very faded. The Songs of a Thundering God that I got was worse but I don't have photos of that. I was very disappointed. I will never do a ATTD coop again.
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On the plus side, I just figured out how to get the photos from flickr to display properly! It's the small things!

[kwootten2]

Ok - since you seem to be the most informed out of all us regarding dye procedures...what is the best way to attempt to get the saturation in the mixed fibers? (bamboo/wool) You said that acid dye wouldn't work on that as well - and we can all see that very clearly. But would dying it with a different dye give more color that is truer to the stock photos?

Also - I got 2 skeins from an ATTD coop a few years ago that are different. ONe is more vibrant, and one looks washed out. When I contacted my host at the time, I was told the same thing....it was variation and that *no one* else had complaints. I had never been in a coop with ATTD before. Now I have 2 skeins that are clearly 'related' but useless to me and unsellable! So ELF, Hats off to you girly! :hi5:

hi jaz!

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[aschrimp]

I believe Andrea already mentioned this, but for yarns that are a mix of protein and cellulose fibers, you would base the type of dye that you use on the fiber with the highest percentage in the yarn. For instance, you have a yarn that is 80% wool/ 20% bamboo, you would use acid dyes, which are for protein fibers. You can't really separate the different fiber types in the yarn, it doesn't work that way.

As for getting a yarn that seems more washed out than another skein of the same colorway, it could just be that the dyer did not use a consistent amount of dye stock in both skeins. Having a recipe for the dye solutions that one uses and keeping that consistent is really the best way to ensure that skeins dyed in different dye lots are similar.

If you have a project that you know is going to take more than one skein to complete, your best bet is going to be having all your yarn come from the same dye lot, ie the same dyeing session.

This happens in commercially dyed yarns and fibers as well. If you look at the label on a skein of yarn you purchase at say, hobby lobby, along with the specifics of that yarn is usually a dye lot number.

Yes to the above. If you go to TIG's fiber page (a very well known dyer, obviously), you will note that the page about her bamboo blend mentions this - that the colors on this yarn will be heathered and exotic. That's because the bamboo doesn't take the dye, but the wool does. It's not something that there is a dye technique to overcome, other than perhaps by using a RIT type multi-purpose dye, which would bleed until kingdom come. It is simply a matter of making sure your customers know what they are getting, and working with them if they aren't happy with it once they get it.

[mysticmomma]

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Welcome guys! When you get a chance, please head over to the introductions (http://clothdiapernation.com/vbforums/forumdisplay.php?f=2) section and post an intro so that we can get to know you!
I will I will. Im always nak'ing and it's to hard to type more than like 12 words.

[WhiteRockMom]

Wow (to all of the above).

I was in the JT group buy on DS when all this went down. We were told the HOST was at fault and thats why it all went into mediation. I wonder if DS will ever make it public info... they havent yet (that I can find) and from the looks of the emails Jaz shared Becky didnt do anything wrong.

I feel bad for Becky (and all the participants who got bad yarn, or no yarn).

Also, *Elf* the yarn you first posted makes me sad. As everyone else said it looks nothing like the stock photo or the photo WW posted.

I'm interested to see how Becky cooperates going forward and how the PP claim ends.

[pinkpeonies]

I was in on the WW group buy through YFF and my Emporer looks like...poop. No black at all, just varying shades of gray with some light yellow. Didn't know till the last couple days that I wasn't the only one unhappy!

[crunchykalo]

Wow (to all of the above).

I was in the JT group buy on DS when all this went down. We were told the HOST was at fault and thats why it all went into mediation. I wonder if DS will ever make it public info... they havent yet (that I can find) and from the looks of the emails Jaz shared Becky didnt do anything wrong.

I feel bad for Becky (and all the participants who got bad yarn, or no yarn).

Also, *Elf* the yarn you first posted makes me sad. As everyone else said it looks nothing like the stock photo or the photo WW posted.

I'm interested to see how Becky cooperates going forward and how the PP claim ends.


I saw all that drama too. Its nice to see the full story here.

[k8secondo]

Wow! I leave town for a week and I miss so much! I can't see how PP wouldn't find in your favor seeing she has "proof" that she still has the yarn. What a mess!

If I am remembering correctly, hasn't WW also done business under the names Cinnamon Stitches and Zen Strings? Maybe (just maybe) the reason her previous biz names aren't being used anymore is because she has a history she was trying to hide?

I thought that was shady at the beginning too. Why all the name changes and "fresh starts"? I wouldn't be surprised if some of this yarn mysteriously shows up under a new business name in a few weeks/months.

FWIW, I have yarn from a ATTD coop that is extremely faded, too. I was upset but I didn't know enough to complain.

Yeah, I had some light yarn from a ATTD co-op too. But I had 2 skiens of instock I was trying to match with 2 skiens from the co-op, so at the time I thought it was just a difference in dye lots. It still made cute shorties with 2 of the matching skiens, but not the sweater I was hoping for. :(

[jaz]

This hasn't ended yet.

Angelina is selling our yarn en masse on her website (http://www.wildflower-whimsy.com/cat...hp?category=44), the special was posted on FB. Peach emailed her and she told Peach,
Your refund? I believe Sarah took care of that, or at least that's what my emails state. I already told you I didn't have payment for the yarn, so how could I refund you?

Shady? I listed it a full 19 days after I said I would. I'm sorry, did you think I should just hold on to this order while your group lies, cheats, and steals from me? The deposit paid has been taken from me. Therefore, I have NO payment whatsoever from Diaperswappers for the work or materials I spent time and money on. So, I'm sure you can see clearly that there is nothing owed at all to you or anyone else in the DS co-op. Ask Becky or Sarah what is going on with your group... I have no clue.

BTW- I cannot "refund Becky" any further. PayPal took the $710 from me last month. This is a $1,420 order that I don't have one cent of. Kindly take this mess and keep it with your group. I have no affiliation or business any further with any of you.

Live Colorful~

Angelina
wildflower-whimsy.com

So if she doesn't have the $710, who does? Becky? Becky who hasn't been in contact with any of the mods at DS for the last week or two? I think Becky is having a $710 last laugh. I think she filed 'on our behalf' because she saw an opportunity to strike back at the DS mods who banned her.

I'm just glad I'd already mentally and emotionally kissed the money good bye. I would be surprised to ever see it again.
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BTW, the info from peach is from the squirrel mediation room at D.S.
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And no one there has said not to share.

[QueenRainbow]

So Becky (the unbanned) filed on the coops behalf and was awarded the $710 back but no one has seen their refund and now she's no longer talking to anyone? Yikes. I hope you all get this sorted out soon. :(

[Cootie Queen]

So Becky (the unbanned) filed on the coops behalf and was awarded the $710 back but no one has seen their refund and now she's no longer talking to anyone? Yikes. I hope you all get this sorted out soon. :(

:speechless: :panic: :cry: Omgosh I feel so awful for y'all.

[Jenga]

Wow :(

[BackLitLeo]

It never ends, does it?

[mbphoto]

Really? She really ran off with that 710? That is unreal.

[jaz]

We don't know for sure it's been given to Becky. There may be a temporary hold on it in her account (because of all the claim? I can only hope).

They're mad. They've said, yes, please go to the police. They've gotten the local police's pertinents up. They've posted her business's name, address, phone number, and website.

[*Elf*]

:hugs: Jaz. I'm so sorry.

[mommyz]

:( hot mess.

[jenniferjunniper]

Oh my!!! The proverbial Shit has hit the fan!!! I really hope this is just a misunderstanding, or a matter of miscommunication from Becky. The police need to be involved for sure.

[nini02]

:holysheep:

[*Elf*]

bjaneen has been RE-banned

[earthmama]

Here is her current siggy:

Update 7/21/11: Ban reinstated. Appears she is a lair and thief despite her claims. Information to contact her local PD to file a complaint is now in mediation.

[aschrimp]

Wow - someone managing to get called a "liar and thief" in the land of rainbows, duckies and bunnies...that's something else!

[lovingmycrazylife]

:speechless:

[jaz]

The mods are pissed. Really really upset.

[bearista]

Oh dear. This just keeps getting worse. :( :hugs: to all who got taken in this. :(

[MyThreeMiracles]

:speechless:

[babypilot]

The mods are pissed. Really really upset.

Here is her current siggy:

Update 7/21/11: Ban reinstated. Appears she is a lair and thief despite her claims. Information to contact her local PD to file a complaint is now in mediation.

Wow - someone managing to get called a "liar and thief" in the land of rainbows, duckies and bunnies...that's something else!

What I cannot figure out for the life of me is why they would think she would run around screaming "I'M A LIAR AND A THIEF...DON'T BELIEVE A WORD I SAY!!!!" Of course she is going to lie to them...that's what liars do. :doh: :realitycheck:

[romanlili]

Hey babypilot! Thanks for joining us here at CDN. Feel free to pop over to Introductions (http://clothdiapernation.com/vbforums/forumdisplay.php?f=2) and say hi!

[Messy]

Tried to rep ya Jaz, but I gotta whore it around. :hugs: I am sorry this is coming down this way :( How can she even live with herself??? I am floored.
Oh my!!! The proverbial ~POOP~ has hit the fan!!! I really hope this is just a misunderstanding, or a matter of miscommunication from Becky. The police need to be involved for sure.
:yeahthat: Absolutely. The police need involved.
Hey babypilot! Thanks for joining us here at CDN. Feel free to pop over to Introductions (http://clothdiapernation.com/vbforums/forumdisplay.php?f=2) and say hi!

:yeahthat: Too!

[jaz]

New twist. Somebody contacted Becky's husband and he also says that he believes she's a liar and a cheat. Since the PP account she used was in his name (but he didn't know about the email address or the account prior), he said he will help us however he can.

[lovingmycrazylife]

:speechless: <-----again!

[JennyHadAVision]

New twist. Somebody contacted Becky's husband and he also says that he believes she's a liar and a cheat. Since the PP account she used was in his name (but he didn't know about the email address or the account prior), he said he will help us however he can.

Husband or ex-husband?

[babypilot]

Hey babypilot! Thanks for joining us here at CDN. Feel free to pop over to Introductions (http://clothdiapernation.com/vbforums/forumdisplay.php?f=2) and say hi!
Done! :winkthumb:

[jaz]

They are divorcing acrimoniously, apparently.

[Dolphin_medic]

:speechless:

btw, Babypilot...Becky didn't put that in her siggy, that was put there by a mod...who appears to have been so furious at the time that they misspelled :hide: Sorry, it's been bugging me :hide:

[jaz]

me too. Lair? I would think that being a lair would be uncomfortable.

[erinbeth]

:lol: My eyes must auto correct things as I read. I didn't even notice. I had to re-read it several times to find it!

[MaMaMeA4]

I'm speechless about this whole situation...

[babypilot]

:speechless:

btw, Babypilot...Becky didn't put that in her siggy, that was put there by a mod...who appears to have been so furious at the time that they misspelled :hide: Sorry, it's been bugging me :hide:

Oh, I know she didn't put it in there. (Funny about the typo though!)

I'm new here...not sure how much I can or should say. :whattodo:

[jenniferjunniper]

Oh, I know she didn't put it in there. (Funny about the typo though!)

I'm new here...not sure how much I can or should say. :whattodo:


You can say anything here!! This is not DS. We try to keep things out in the open. If you are unsure however you could PM a mod, they are super helpful, and will answer any questions you have! Glad you are here!!

[jaz]

from mOmof3
I cross posted this into the open coop forum as well..


Ok ladies here it all goes. A mom and I spoke with becky husband last night then Admin carolyn and I respoke with him today. All on a three way call. We finally have some answers. Steve has let us know becky has been switching JT product for a long time. She was very upset when they went to bags because it would be harder to switch the order. Well of course she did it anyway. Good news is the fruit is in their storage unit. Bad new is there is a court order neither of them can go into that unit because they are in a nasty divorce settlement. WHAT IM ADVISING. If you were affected by bad fruit is to call her PD today. Everyone try to speak with the same officer. Once someone calls post here the name. If we can get them to open that unit on the grounds of stolen property we may have some hope of getting your product back. I offered to pay the ship if he can get it so i can get it and send to you all. SO please if you got bad fruit call. He said he would try to get me pictures but he really isnt suppose to enter the unit so anything that might hurt him in court i dont want him doing.

NOW the coop. Its not looking good. He called paypal because the account it in his name. He filled fraud on the account. They told him there is a 24.00 balance and the 710.00 was refunded to becky and she cleaned out the account. He is going down to the sheriff today and as SOON as he speaks to an officer he is going to text me the name so all the moms that lost money can call and file. Were hoping its enough to push charges on her.

OK this is what i can think of but its been a long night was up till 2am sorting through all this so im exhausted. IF you can think of anything to ask let me know bc he prob told me

Bridgeport Police Department 301 Main Street, Bridgeport, OH 43912-1347 (740) 635-9999 () ‎

She goes by her maiden name now as Becky ****** but her married name is becky ******.
Her residence is.
********
brigport, ohio



There is NO reason that we would post somebody's Name and Address out on the open board here, no matter what her actions may have been. I have removed that information from this post. Please take a moment to think about what you're doing before you post stuff like that. It's one thing to have it in a restricted area for the group of people who are involved to have access to it. Putting it out on the board here is something completely different. Thanks.

[aschrimp]

What's the deal with switching JT product?

[jenniferjunniper]

You have got to be kidding me! What a nut! How can you steal from people?? WTH is wrong with her??? I also feel bad for WW as well. I mean, she dug her own hole, but now not only is her reputation tarnished (by her own doing), she is also tied up with this mess, and she may be a terrible yarn dyer but she was not a thief. What a mess. Thanks for keeping this bumped and updated Jaz!
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What's the deal with switching JT product?


She was in charge of JT coops. People who participated in her coop, were getting bad, and stale product. Well apparently she sells JT products in her store, or something, and she was switching her OLD product with the new stuff, and sending her old stuff to coop participants.

[jaz]

The big deal was that JT is apparently moving from fruit/veg tubs to bags for some/all products and people were getting stale and/or broken tubs from Becky. JT I think told the other mods/admin that they'd sent Becky bags. Becky sold JT in her now-defunct store. She was switching her stale in-stock product with the new stock JT sent her or just pocketing the money and not ordering what people ordered if she could cover it from her existing stores. Not sure.
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Like I said in the other thread, while I still plan on filing a jar on WW because of her going back on her word, not standing behind her work, and not sending products at all similar to her stock photos, I think she's gotten screwed, too. I mean, yeah, she has all of our yarn, but she doesn't have our $710 and neither do we. She can sell the yarn, yes, but there's no telling how long it will take to re-coop the money she invested in undyed yarn or dyes, much less her time.

[babypilot]

The big deal was that JT is apparently moving from fruit/veg tubs to bags for some/all products and people were getting stale and/or broken tubs from Becky. JT I think told the other mods/admin that they'd sent Becky bags. Becky sold JT in her now-defunct store. She was switching her stale in-stock product with the new stock JT sent her or just pocketing the money and not ordering what people ordered if she could cover it from her existing stores. Not sure.
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Like I said in the other thread, while I still plan on filing a jar on WW because of her going back on her word, not standing behind her work, and not sending products at all similar to her stock photos, I think she's gotten screwed, too. I mean, yeah, she has all of our yarn, but she doesn't have our $710 and neither do we. She can sell the yarn, yes, but there's no telling how long it will take to re-coop the money she invested in undyed yarn or dyes, much less her time.
And that's why I was pushing the mods on DS to force Becky to produce the invoice for the JT co-op, but they let her go on with the story instead of producing the proof and believed her instead. Becky also ran the entire JT/DS co-op under a different name, so DS couldn't get their hands on the invoice directly. Becky either switched the product, or she didn't order it at all. And MANY participants got stale tubs when we paid for fresh bags (big difference and lots of $$$$ lost in gross product). But they (mods/admin) believed Becky with their "heart of hearts" (or at least one or two naive mods/admin did).

So the JT thing has everything to do with the host (becky) and nothing to do with the yarn vendor (angelina), just to clear that up. The only connection I'm aware of is that becky was the host for both WW and JT.

[jaz]

Done! :winkthumb:

Who are/were you at DS? I can't find your intro thread in Introductions.

[babypilot]

Who are/were you at DS? I can't find your intro thread in Introductions.
bean3 I left in protest of the way certain mods/admin treated me over there during this entire fiasco. If it gets me shunned here (who knows if those same people are over here) then so be it. Y'all don't seem very secretive though, and I certainly wasn't the one scamming people, I was just calling out the obvious discrepancies in her story, but I was getting constantly yelled at. It was all very, very strange.

[Lolanae]

Oh I highly doubt you shall get shunned for calling DS on their rainbows and secret squirrel rooms =)

[babypilot]

I may have put my intro in the wrong place. If you search under my name or my posts, you'll find it. I'm the goofy lady with an ice rink in my basement who is deathly allergic to chemicals/perfumes. Who could miss me?
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Oh I highly doubt you shall get shunned for calling DS on their rainbows and secret squirrel rooms =)
Do you wonder what they do i nthe secret squirrel rooms with their rainbows??? I'm a little scared!

[jaz]

I remember you there! Didn't you post in thrifty section, too? I remember your old sig about the scented stuff. I searched your posts here but I don't see it. I have a few sections on ignore and I don't believe that the search engine here shows posts in ignored sections.

Nah, we won't shun 'normal' folks. I came here from DS, too, although I make no claim on normal. It's just interesting to see new people go straight to the 'drama' posts, y'know? We've had occasional problems with people coming here only to cause drama. If you want to join us for us, then welcome! Enjoy your stay! Don't say the word au.burn!

[babypilot]

I remember you there! Didn't you post in thrifty section, too? I remember your old sig about the scented stuff. I searched your posts here but I don't see it. I have a few sections on ignore and I don't believe that the search engine here shows posts in ignored sections.

Nah, we won't shun 'normal' folks. I came here from DS, too, although I make no claim on normal. It's just interesting to see new people go straight to the 'drama' posts, y'know? We've had occasional problems with people coming here only to cause drama. If you want to join us for us, then welcome! Enjoy your stay! Don't say the word au.burn!
Yup, I was in the thrifty boards, homeschooling, OT, co-ops. I actually try to NOT be part of drama. Too much to do, too much on my plate for drama.

Quite honestly, I was only following the whole Jenifer, Becky, Frontier/JT/co-op drama because I was trying to educate the mods/admin on who to clean up the co-ops from a business perspective so it wouldn't happen again, but it seems it wasn't sticking, and it was making my business brain melt. I'm pretty tolerant, but being told that an obvious scammer wasn't because the scammer "said" she wasn't a scammer and that was enough for the admin because in her "heart of hearts" she knew it must be true just about made my head implode, and I get enough of that with my migraines, I didn't need more of it with the drama of the co-op boards. I had to honestly step very far away from it.

It's one thing when they are working diligently on your behalf and doing it with a business brain, which of course we would all be thankful for, but it is entirely another when their business brains check out and they are trying to sell you the line the scammer sold them. I just don't want to hear that.

But that was just the way I saw it and it was time to leave before I really let it ruin my summer. It was like a runaway drama train. Bleh.

I've already noticed that there is not a lot of censoring going on here. I'm digging this, a lot!!! I'll have to read the FAQ this weekend and get more acquainted with the boards. The little one is really getting out of diapers, but I have to use cloth a lot for other things, and I generally am more in line with a "cloth" lifestyle, but I was losing "touch" with the censorship side of DS, though I liked a lot of the people there. I have a feeling CDN is going to be a little more up my alley (and I've already noticed a few familiary faces here, which is a great relief! So, yeah, joining for the collective "you", not for the drama. Not a fan of drama.

So, what's the inside joke on au.burn? There seem to be a LOT of inside jokes running around here. I've got a lot of catching up to do!!!

[Lolanae]

Ohh you don't have to have a kid in cloth to be here. =) Au.burn is a football team rival one of the admin doesn't like. hehe. Definitely read up the FAQ/Rules and announcements. Rules are fairly simple here, but taken seriously when broken. =)

[QueenRainbow]

Here's the intro I think she's talking about http://clothdiapernation.com/vbforums/showpost.php?p=2251329&postcount=539

[jaz]

CDing is not pre-req. here. Some people here never even cloth-diapered their kids. We even have some non-moms here. *shhhhhhhhh* Although only a couple (admitted) guys. It's more a mom's forum with a slightly more or less crunchy outlook to one degree or another. It's smaller than DS, to be sure. Most (respectful) POVs are welcome here.

Mods/admin rarely delete stuff from posts when the content contaiins personal info not to be shared on a public forum (like if someone posted my address or left a real name in something I cut and pasted from outside) or is against Terms of Service (i.e. don't go bragging about illegal activities - if you token when you were a teen, that's fine to bring up but don't be talking abouthow you did it last weekend, KWIM?). Threads are usually only moved when the contents are against TOS. There are no lockings of threads. You may have noticed the lack of edit button although it does exist in FSOT and Swap sections.
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Thanks, QR. I have that section on ignore so I was most confused!

[Shopaholic]

CDing is certainly not a pre-req here. Some of our members don't even have kids and therefor edon't care about diapers :)

[aufrog]

I am really sad that Becky had turned out to be someone I never thought she was :sigh:

[babypilot]

What's the deal with switching JT product?
Totally off topic, but I found and totally LOVE your old post about basilar migraines. I have acephalgic basilar migraines, and you are 100000% right about them. The increased risk of TIA/strokes, no vasoconstrictors, ergots, triptans (aka, "normal migraine meds"), etc. The chemicals in perfume knock me on my ass instantly. My body actually stops breathing before i consciously know I'm being exposed to the chemicals (sort of freaky). I'm glad it does it, but dang, right?

Is it you, or someone you know, that has basilar migraines? We should chat, seriously. Not much therapy for it, but I did find a doc that is about as close to a specialist as I think we will ever come for these.

I have all sorts of extra knowledge I've developed about them over the years if you ever need the brainstorm. I do have a filter mask that helps a lot though (I'm still trialing it), and my doc does have me on a specific oxygen regimen for "recovery". How often do you actually "run into" someone else who 1) has heard of them and 2) has an accurate picture of what they are?!?!?!

Back to your regularly scheduled programming....

[_melody_]

Oh, I know she didn't put it in there. (Funny about the typo though!)

I'm new here...not sure how much I can or should say. :whattodo:

You can say as much as you need to as long as you are not calling people out or calling them names. If you are unsure about whether or not something is OK to say, just PM me or one of the other staff members and we'll be glad to let you know if it's over the line or not. :dude:

bean3 I left in protest of the way certain mods/admin treated me over there during this entire fiasco. If it gets me shunned here (who knows if those same people are over here) then so be it. Y'all don't seem very secretive though, and I certainly wasn't the one scamming people, I was just calling out the obvious discrepancies in her story, but I was getting constantly yelled at. It was all very, very strange.

We're not big on shunning or secrecy here. You'll be fine. :hugegrin:

I remember you there! Didn't you post in thrifty section, too? I remember your old sig about the scented stuff. I searched your posts here but I don't see it. I have a few sections on ignore and I don't believe that the search engine here shows posts in ignored sections.

Nah, we won't shun 'normal' folks. I came here from DS, too, although I make no claim on normal. It's just interesting to see new people go straight to the 'drama' posts, y'know? We've had occasional problems with people coming here only to cause drama. If you want to join us for us, then welcome! Enjoy your stay! Don't say the word au.burn!

And don't go around evading the language filters. :giggle:



CDing is not pre-req. here. Some people here never even cloth-diapered their kids. We even have some non-moms here. *shhhhhhhhh* Although only a couple (admitted) guys. It's more a mom's forum with a slightly more or less crunchy outlook to one degree or another. It's smaller than DS, to be sure. Most (respectful) POVs are welcome here.

Mods/admin rarely delete stuff from posts when the content contaiins personal info not to be shared on a public forum (like if someone posted my address or left a real name in something I cut and pasted from outside) or is against Terms of Service (i.e. don't go bragging about illegal activities - if you token when you were a teen, that's fine to bring up but don't be talking abouthow you did it last weekend, KWIM?). Threads are usually only moved when the contents are against TOS. There are no lockings of threads. You may have noticed the lack of edit button although it does exist in FSOT and Swap sections.
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Thanks, QR. I have that section on ignore so I was most confused!

Ahem. I edited your earlier post in this thread for that very reason. I can see that you understand why. Thanks for helping out with the board information! :hi5:

[jaz]

Ahem. I edited your earlier post in this thread for that very reason. I can see that you understand why. Thanks for helping out with the board information! :hi5:

Doh! and thank you. They'd posted it on DS, I didn't even think about it.

[JennyHadAVision]

I'm new here...not sure how much I can or should say. :whattodo:

We've been asked in the past not to violate the privacy of restricted sections on other boards by cutting and pasting that stuff here, so that's probably a good guideline. :)

[QueenRainbow]

We've been asked in the past not to violate the privacy of restricted sections on other boards by cutting and pasting that stuff here, so that's probably a good guideline. :)

I believe the Admin here talked to the powers that be over there and got their permission for information from their secret room regarding WW/Becky/this whole mess to be posted here. I THINK anyway LOL

[jaz]

They told us in the WW mediation room what they did not want shared. They said everything else was fair game, which the PTB here said was ok if they said it was ok. I would not have shared otherwise as it's explicitly against the rules here as you said. I should not have included the info on becky's name, address and phone numbers, that is never ok to share other's private information here.

[aschrimp]

Totally off topic, but I found and totally LOVE your old post about basilar migraines. I have acephalgic basilar migraines, and you are 100000% right about them. The increased risk of TIA/strokes, no vasoconstrictors, ergots, triptans (aka, "normal migraine meds"), etc. The chemicals in perfume knock me on my ass instantly. My body actually stops breathing before i consciously know I'm being exposed to the chemicals (sort of freaky). I'm glad it does it, but dang, right?

Is it you, or someone you know, that has basilar migraines? We should chat, seriously. Not much therapy for it, but I did find a doc that is about as close to a specialist as I think we will ever come for these.

I have all sorts of extra knowledge I've developed about them over the years if you ever need the brainstorm. I do have a filter mask that helps a lot though (I'm still trialing it), and my doc does have me on a specific oxygen regimen for "recovery". How often do you actually "run into" someone else who 1) has heard of them and 2) has an accurate picture of what they are?!?!?!

Back to your regularly scheduled programming....

For the sake of everyone's sanity I'm gonna copy the quote here and reply in the basilar migraine thread.

[_melody_]

I talked to DS admin and told them about this thread and got their approval to include their info here. Some things are more important than competition between boards and we have always worked with them quite well to try to protect the larger community against scammers like this. There are a lot of differences between the 2 boards, but it is not in anybody's best interest to let somebody get away with this kind of stuff.

[JennyHadAVision]

I believe the Admin here talked to the powers that be over there and got their permission for information from their secret room regarding WW/Becky/this whole mess to be posted here. I THINK anyway LOL

Yeah, I know there was some permission granted but outside of that, it's good for newcomers to be aware that such behavior is frowned upon in general and to be careful. :)

[babypilot]

Yeah, I know there was some permission granted but outside of that, it's good for newcomers to be aware that such behavior is frowned upon in general and to be careful. :)
So I'm sure I'm not stepping on toes at all...I was never allowed into the secret room. I was a part of the general co-op boards over there. The only information I have is information that is general knowledge on the co-op board. I'm actually very much in the dark in general.

Are we okay talking in general terms about the situation things that have been publicly stated on the co-op board? I have never been privy to anything behind any scenes whatsoever. (if that helps to know what info I would be referring to)

Like you said, better to be careful, and I am a newbie here.

[jenniferjunniper]

Yes, you can talk about common knowledge that is available to everyone! HTH!!! Glad to have you here!

[babypilot]

Yes, you can talk about common knowledge that is available to everyone! HTH!!! Glad to have you here!
Helps a ton...thanks! Figured I was safe since everyone else always knew so much more than me anyway.

[jaz]

There are some hard and fast rules delineated somewhere. Read the various faqs and stickied threads at the top of sections, they will take you far. If in doubt, ask. Be nice. Also, there are some sections that have post count requirements, once you have the requisite numbers, you'll be able to request access through your User CP at the top of the page.

[Lint Licker]

Holy frakkin Train Wreck!

:hugs: to Elf for standing up for yourself!
and :hugs: those screwed over on the DS coop! I sure hope that is resolved!!!

[treegardner]

What a disaster!

[treegardner]

What a disaster!

[Blindbatbeth]

Wow! I'm from DS too and honestly I'm glad we can find out what the heck was going on, when anyone was asking questions it felt like YOU were out of line for not buying Becky's BS without even asking questions. I agreed with a lot that Bean3 (babypilot) said and was shocked that the admin basically said Becky wasn't a scammer and that you woukd be banned for disrespect. The whole mess left a bad taste in my mouth because DS admins were shutting down all the questions we had by saying if your not involved with WW fiasco then your not involved. To me if a admin is was well trusted and ran numerous transactions with everyone then I felt everyone is privvy to that information. That board seems to protect them more than their members, which is why I am glad to have found this board and thread. I read everything I could on DS and was like umm
WTH is going on with these co-op hosts?? I'm glad to finally have my questions answered and not be penalized for saying how I feel about the whole mess in general

[Jenga]

Wow! I'm from DS too and honestly I'm glad we can find out what the heck was going on, when anyone was asking questions it felt like YOU were out of line for not buying Becky's BS without even asking questions. I agreed with a lot that Bean3 (babypilot) said and was shocked that the admin basically said Becky wasn't a scammer and that you woukd be banned for disrespect. The whole mess left a bad taste in my mouth because DS admins were shutting down all the questions we had by saying if your not involved with WW fiasco then your not involved. To me if a admin is was well trusted and ran numerous transactions with everyone then I felt everyone is privvy to that information. That board seems to protect them more than their members, which is why I am glad to have found this board and thread. I read everything I could on DS and was like umm
WTH is going on with these co-op hosts?? I'm glad to finally have my questions answered and not be penalized for saying how I feel about the whole mess in general


That's sort of par for the course over there. I wish more people would question the powers that be.

[Blindbatbeth]

I think people would do more but you just get banned or shut down. I think they believe it's best to deal behind closed doors but it doesn't ensure that I AM protected kwim? I wanted badly to say things but knew better than to because of the strict rules and hkw everything is hush hush. I love a lot of things about the site and mostly the moms but after seeing how issues are handled here out in the open, i think I found my new site lol!

[Lolanae]

Oh yes, no secret squirrel rooms. Maybe a secret bacon one... :giggle:

[*Elf*]

Oh yes, no secret squirrel rooms. Maybe a secret bacon one... :giggle:

Well technically we have Hash It Out but that is only if both people agree, right?

[Blindbatbeth]

Well technically we have Hash It Out but that is only if both people agree, right?


Yeah how often do you see that? Lol they can set up private medation rooms but what good does that do a community if one person is a scammer and no one knows! Great one mom worked it out but how many git screwed that just let it go or had no clue that said person was a scammer before they bought something?

[Katherine]

Oh yes, no secret squirrel rooms. Maybe a secret bacon one... :giggle:


:shh: the first rule about the bacon room.....

[*Elf*]

Yeah how often do you see that? Lol they can set up private medation rooms but what good does that do a community if one person is a scammer and no one knows! Great one mom worked it out but how many git screwed that just let it go or had no clue that said person was a scammer before they bought something?

You never see Hash It Out. It is a hidden room only for the people involved but it is for personal issues.

CDN NEVER hides scammers, NEVER ever.

[TNB]

just catching up with this and OMG :( WTF is wrong with Becky?? I am just sitting slackjawed that anyone would not think they were racking up some hella bad karma by stealing and doing the things she has down with the switching products.

I am so sorry for anyone screwed over by this. The second I heard that the banned former suspected thief was the one filing the claim to get the refund, I had a baaaaaad baaaad feeling.

[Jenga]

You never see Hash It Out. It is a hidden room only for the people involved but it is for personal issues.

CDN NEVER hides scammers, NEVER ever.

Right. If you go read over the hot seat threads some of them are involving transactions and all of that is out in the open.

[*Elf*]

Right. If you go read over the hot seat threads some of them are involving transactions and all of that is out in the open.

Plus this very thread was moved from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly so it would be out in the open.

[MaMaMeA4]

just catching up with this and OMG :( WTF is wrong with Becky?? I am just sitting slackjawed that anyone would not think they were racking up some hella bad karma by stealing and doing the things she has down with the switching products.

I am so sorry for anyone screwed over by this. The second I heard that the banned former suspected thief was the one filing the claim to get the refund, I had a baaaaaad baaaad feeling.

Me too, but I feel like I was the one told to hush. That what had been done was done and not to question it. I'm just now getting to the point where I can talk about this.

[babypilot]

Directly quoted from this thread in the "off topic forum"
http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1254685 (http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1254685)

Please edit as you wish if this is inappropriate, but since it is a public forum over there, I figured it is fair game.


Please contact
Sally/Sweet_Fantasy_Fox
Carolyn/~happy2bamommy~
Amy/mOmof3

I haven't talked to Sarah/WearingTaci today on this but I'm sure she would take info as well if she is on.

You can copy all of us in on the pm if you wish by copy/pasting the following into the recipient box on the pm:

Sweet_Fantasy_Fox ; mOmof 3 ; WearingTaci ; ~happy2Bamommy~ ;


We need these details
Your name
phone number
Amount owed and rather it was for WW or shipping overage
or
What you got for bad product from JT (I know a few have no product at all, need to hear from you too)

Please put in the title of the pm which co-op you were a part of or rather it was shipping overage.


I am including in this complaint not only the WW and JT but anyone owed for shipping overcharges that was waiting on Becky to refund overages from Jenifer.

Becky, if you read this, I'm incredibly sorry that you abused the trust of the ladies here and have now forced our hand. Despite your promise to resolve and then your threats when you decided not to, we are moving forward in the hopes that some sort of resolution will come about.At the very least, charges will be brought against you. I can only think that your lack of contact at this point means you are unwilling to sort this out.We have to now move forward. May you find peace. Carolyn~

[babypilot]

"...we are moving forward in the hopes that some sort of resolution will come about.At the very least, charges will be brought against you...May you find peace."


Well, garsh...if I were Becky, I would be quaking in my shoes right now with such harsh words lashed out at me.....:hahano::doh:

At LEAST they will bring charges against Becky?!?!??! Wow, way to be rough with her. If she isn't careful they might just attack her with feathers and sick butterflies on her too. Oh no!!! :feathers: :run:


Seriously though, do they really not understand business at all, even the basics? What is up with all of this emotion? No wonder why scammers walk all over them and Becky has FULLY taken advantage of the situation at every turn. They INVITE IT with posts like that.


They are running BUSINESS transactions. If they are actually going to pursue this....may they grow a backbone. They are going to need it.

[pinkpeonies]

They are running BUSINESS transactions. If they are actually going to pursue this....may they grow a backbone. They are going to need it.

:clapclap:Word.

[randareena]

She's closing up shop. Read her latest blog post.


wildflower-whimsy. com/blog/

I put a space in between the . And the com so you need to c and p and fix hat in your browser
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[Nikilata]

Did anyone else see the JA filed on WW? Did I read it right that it was someone from the DS coop that filed it against WW?
WW doesn't even have their money anymore correct? Why would someone expect her to send the yarn or refund them when she already refunded the host? I actually felt bad for the WAHM.

[MamaHellCat]

wait, she is blaming the co-op participants for her miscarriage? Wow.

[*Elf*]

Did anyone else see the JA filed on WW? Did I read it right that it was someone from the DS coop that filed it against WW?
WW doesn't even have their money anymore correct? Why would someone expect her to send the yarn or refund them when she already refunded the host? I actually felt bad for the WAHM.

Have you read the entire thread? She brought it on herself.

[Lolanae]

Did anyone else see the JA filed on WW? Did I read it right that it was someone from the DS coop that filed it against WW?
WW doesn't even have their money anymore correct? Why would someone expect her to send the yarn or refund them when she already refunded the host? I actually felt bad for the WAHM.

I don't see how someone in the coop could have filed against WW unless they had a payment directly to WW? The coop was handled through Becky, which was a huge cluster in the end.

I can not feel bad for this WAHM at all. Between her bullying and the OMG let's lay it on thick guilt trip, nope. She has a long history. Did you read this entire thread?

[Nikilata]

Have you read the entire thread? She brought it on herself.


I did, but its gone on for so long and involved other players.

The JA report was from a coop person mad that WW didn't refund her or send her the yarn.

Do I understand correctly that WW refunded Becky (the host) and Becky took off with the funds?
I don't see how WW should be expected to send the yarn or refund anything if she already did refund what was paid.

Granted I could be confused, I didn't reread the entire thread tonight.
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Yep, just reread the JA.
She is angry that WW won't refund her $20 and she is from the DS coop.

[Lolanae]

I don't think it was ever established if WW willingly refunded or if Paypal took the money back for non-delivery. She basically held the yarn hostage. She wouldn't even send pics of the yarn, which was what the DS coop was asking for before sending final payment. Then she pulled passive aggressive crap of putting up a Flickr album captioned "Non-paid DS coop" and listed the yarns for sell.

[Nikilata]

I don't see how someone in the coop could have filed against WW unless they had a payment directly to WW? The coop was handled through Becky, which was a huge cluster in the end.

I can not feel bad for this WAHM at all. Between her bullying and the OMG let's lay it on thick guilt trip, nope. She has a long history. Did you read this entire thread?


I agree that she was, to put it mildly, a brat though out this.
I felt badly for her though that she is being branded as a thief from the coop when from my understanding she refunded the entire coop.

Granted, when you act like that this kind of crap is bound to happen and really no one, but a bleeding heart (lol), is going to feel for you at all.

[Holly Golightly]

wait, she is blaming the co-op participants for her miscarriage? Wow.

Yeah, I saw that. Methinks someone is being a wee bit melodramatic. :looky:

[jaz]

I'm not sure who has the money anymore. I think that they said Becky hadn't been given the money. I will need to ask. And supposedly Angelina sent what remained of our order to the one member who contacted her and asked to buy her order from Angelina. Free. With a super duper passive aggressive holier than thou letter attached. We'll see what shows up.

[Lolanae]

I'm not sure who has the money anymore. I think that they said Becky hadn't been given the money. I will need to ask. And supposedly Angelina sent what remained of our order to the one member who contacted her and asked to buy her order from Angelina. Free. With a super duper passive aggressive holier than thou letter attached. We'll see what shows up.


Is she going for martyrdom?

[jaz]

Oh, and I love how we starved her kids. Nice. Some of the yarn in our order was for people's own WAHM shops.
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So yeah, I totally think she's going for the martyr card.

[Nikilata]

I'm not sure who has the money anymore. I think that they said Becky hadn't been given the money. I will need to ask. And supposedly Angelina sent what remained of our order to the one member who contacted her and asked to buy her order from Angelina. Free. With a super duper passive aggressive holier than thou letter attached. We'll see what shows up.

WOW.
Her blog post did read as if she had gotten the money back after it was frozen.
Granted, didn't ppl call Becky's soon to be ex and her local police saying she had the money and took off with it?

[jaz]

Holy crap, we're 'the wicked?' Awesome!

[*Elf*]

Holy crap, we're 'the wicked?' Awesome!

Nah. I'm the wicked.

And blah blah blah.

And I caused her miscarriage.

Yup, not even 3 weeks after my own. Uh huh.

[Lolanae]

Jaz - Don't forget, ya'll caused her miscarriage too.

[JennyHadAVision]

Did anyone else see the JA filed on WW? Did I read it right that it was someone from the DS coop that filed it against WW?
WW doesn't even have their money anymore correct? Why would someone expect her to send the yarn or refund them when she already refunded the host? I actually felt bad for the WAHM.

Well, aside from her acting like a total cunt, it isn't 100% clear who has what money at this point as far as I can tell. It's hard to feel sorry for someone who behaves the way she did.

[JennyHadAVision]

Yeah, I just read the blog and what utter horseshit. She takes zero responsibility for anything. If she was really innocent here she'd acknowledge that the women who have no yarn and no money are also victims instead of painting them as evil thieves.

And I'm sorry, blaming your business drama for your miscarriage just tars you with the whacko brush. Seriously, if you're so fragile you'll miscarry when people are mean and living so close to the edge that a dry spell in your internet shop will cause your children to literally go hungry, you should rethink having another baby.

[TNB]

I don't even know what to say about that blog post. I, of course, feel awful if she miscarried. I would for any woman not mater what they have done or how they have acted.....BUT....seriously...that entire blog entry was over the top :dq: and if her kids got to see and know all the details so that they were praying for the "wicked women to leave mama alone" then she has some MAJOR issues with what she is exposing her kids to as well as what she is telling them.

Who the hell would drag children into online drama?? And THIS made them starve? Sorry not buying it.

I agree it sounds like she got her $$ back from paypal so that means at this point she has yarn and $$ and the co-op participants have nothing. But you all are the thieves :looky:
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I don't even know what to say about that blog post. I, of course, feel awful if she miscarried. I would for any woman not mater what they have done or how they have....

jeeez spell much? :giggle:
supposed to read "no matter"

[jaz]

However, she didn't send one person's order because that person had said that the yarn she'd gotten from the YLU coop was useless for its intended use because the colors were off. Because she said she might as well throw it away because no one would even buy it off of her because the colors were off.

In her letter, she also called us terrorists. Blamed us for her milk drying up. It goes on and on.

It's quite the work.

[*Elf*]

Oh my word, that letter must be a piece of work.

[jaz]

It's basically like the blog post expanded but more pointed, contained many of the same points. She's a martyr, we starved her kids and made her cry, made her children cry out 'let those mean people leave mommy alone.' And her yarn was perfectly dyed, TYVM, so we're stealing her art and livelihood away from her. She didn't accept any responsibility for anything and she thinks you're a big meanie and troublemaker extraordinaire, Elf, because you had the temerity to not love the 'natural variances' you got even if they looked nothing like the stock. Or something.

[JennyHadAVision]

And we get back to the heart of the matter which is that Elf Is A Big Meanie. 65 pages later and we're still on that key point. ;)

Elf made them cancel Eureka.
Elf made Chuck Norris cry.
Elf probably kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.
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And who is "Sarah?" She's being randomly referenced/addressed in the blog comments without context.

[*Elf*]

And we get back to the heart of the matter which is that Elf Is A Big Meanie. 65 pages later and we're still on that key point. ;)

Elf made them cancel Eureka.
Elf made Chuck Norris cry.
Elf probably kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.

Wait, they cancelled Eureka? :cry:

[jaz]

Of course. It matters nothing that over twenty people are out both yarn and money and that many more got stuff that looked nothing like advertised, only that Elf is a meanie.

And Elf, I'm glad you made Chuck Norris cry. The guy gets on my nerves. However, I'm not old enough for the Lindberg baby so I know you're not responsible for that one!

[*Elf*]

And who is "Sarah?" She's being randomly referenced/addressed in the blog comments without context.

no comment

[jaz]

I'm not surprised they cancelled Eureka. They cancel anything that is novel and fun.

[JennyHadAVision]

Wait, they cancelled Eureka? :cry:

Oh, as if you didn't know!

But yes, season six has been cancelled. We'll get season five finished but that'll be it. :(
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And Elf, I'm glad you made Chuck Norris cry. The guy gets on my nerves.

Betty White's gonna come whup your butt! Betty White is Chuck Norris' bodyguard. Betty White scares even Chuck Norris!

[*Elf*]

Oh, as if you didn't know!

But yes, season six has been cancelled. We'll get season five finished but that'll be it. :(
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Betty White's gonna come whup your butt! Betty White is Chuck Norris' bodyguard. Betty White scares even Chuck Norris!

I'm not scared of Betty White.

I'll just convince her to step on one of my children's foot and then go ape on her.

[JennyHadAVision]

Betty White could totally take you. Ooh... fundraiser idea! Who'd buy tickets to a grudge match between Elf and Betty White?

[Lolanae]

Judging by her last reply to the blog, it seems like she's reading our thoughts somewhere.

[*Elf*]

Yup and taking comments out of context.

Nowhere did I say that she brought the miscarriage on herself, but she did bring the entire situation on herself and the JARs.

[mommyz]

omg, i have no dog in this fight but what a ~FARK~ing asshole is this lady! blame my hormones... amanda, :doublebird: . take plenty of those. :shakehead:

[*Elf*]

omg, i have no dog in this fight but what a ~FARK~ing asshole is this lady! blame my hormones... amanda, :doublebird: . take plenty of those. :shakehead:

lol, her name is Angelina.

[mommyz]

lol, yeah that's what i meant! my lack of sleep and being in pain, amanda/angelina... tomato/tomato :giggle:

[redfishbluefish]

:popcorn:




loveeee betty white

[Cootie Queen]

I commented but it's awaiting moderation. Obviously it won't go through. Heaven forbid any of there sheeple followers actually know the truth about the bullshit she caused. :eyeroll:

[*Elf*]

Well, what did you comment so we can add it to our mental comments

[Cootie Queen]

I closed out the window so I don't know if I can retrieve it to c/p. I'll try though.
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:booyah: Thank you Google Chrome!!

Oh my gosh, you are such a drama queen! First off, what about all of the people who participated in your co-op and are left without their money AND yarn because YOU HAVE BOTH! You are a THIEF! And no, I’m not one of ‘the wicked’. I have never given you my business and refuse to do so in the future when you come back and open shop again. And the comment you are referring to did not say that you brought a miscarriage on yourself. You brought the stress on yourself. If you are the sole bread winner in your household, common sense would tell you that you should conduct yourself in a professional manner and not be a blatant BITCH to your customers when they have VALID concerns and complaints. It is not your customers’ fault that you alter only dye you alter your stock photos so much that you are incapable of matching them when you actually dye your yarn. That is your fault. And that is where this all started. Stop blaming Sarah for YOUR ISSUES and learn from this experience.

One more thought, if your family is relying solely on your income and things are so “tight” as you make them seem to be, MAYBE it wouldn’t be a good idea to be having another baby. Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions you drama queen.

She pisses me off. :hide:

[*Elf*]

So I went back and re-read the blog post:

The very day that PayPal released my funds (as they could see from all the evidence this was a vicious attack on me and had no validity in any of the claims)

According to this she has the money and the yarn so the JAR was valid.

It also means that Becky doesn't have the funds.

Someone needs to call PayPal about this.

[Cootie Queen]

So I went back and re-read the blog post:

The very day that PayPal released my funds (as they could see from all the evidence this was a vicious attack on me and had no validity in any of the claims)

According to this she has the money and the yarn so the JAR was valid.

It also means that Becky doesn't have the funds.

Someone needs to call PayPal about this.

Yup, which is why I called her a thief.

[jaz]

Angelina, obviously you're reading here from your comments or you know someone who is. That's fine, this is a non-restricted part of the forum. I am truly sorry that you have lost a child. Read my sig; I know a similar pain. You did not have it coming and if anyone said that regarding your miscarriage, they are cruel.

But seriously, woman, we did not make you miscarry. We are not evil (and neither are you, for that matter). Take some responsibility for your actions, we must for ours. This whole thing has been messed up. It was farked up on your side and on the DS side, too. You went back on your word. You manipulated the stock photos. You were unable to reproduce the colorways as shown on your stock photos. How can you deny that? Yes, this was a lot of drama. It is unfortunate that you live hand to mouth and that the tying up of$700 made getting groceries difficult. But listen, that's not our fault that you live on the edge. And now you have the $700 back. Right now I'm out both $50 and I have nothing to show for it. If I can't feed my kids because I'm out $50 that's on me.

If you'd just done what you'd said you would, invoiced us individually, this never would have blown up. If you were able to reproduce your colorways, there never would have been issues. I'm sorry you've had a shitty time but you are not the only one. You are not the only victim here. And we did not make you miscarry. We did not overshare with your children, you did. We did not attack your children. If you told them that other people did this, that's on you. If you passed on your pain to them, that's on you. If you worried them with the details of all this crap, that's on you. Again, take some responsibility for your actions, right or wrong. It's not very Christian to blame others for everything. Get off your cross. You are not a martyr, stop acting like one.

[aufrog]

:happyclap: well said Jaz

[TNB]

jaz :bow:

[_melody_]

I just want to remind you all that we put this thread here as a warning to people who might not otherwise know of the issues with this WAHM in order to protect the greater community. We did NOT put it here as any kind of attempt to police the internet and we highly discourage you from going from here to comment on her blog and "put her in her place". If you're affected, share your story, file a JAR, file with PP, take every step you can to make things right, but don't come here and encourage each other to go and attack her on her blog. We don't send out posse's from CDN. It's her blog, and she's entitled to post in it from her point of view, no matter how wrong we may think that point of view is. I'm not saying that any of you have DONE this, but I know how easy it is for people to get caught up in the moment and before you know it there's a round of "I said this" or "I told her that" and a bunch of high-fiving and it just continues to escalate until it's totally out of control. We've seen it too many times, and I'd just like to head it off right now. Thanks for understanding.

[Cootie Queen]

I just want to remind you all that we put this thread here as a warning to people who might not otherwise know of the issues with this WAHM in order to protect the greater community. We did NOT put it here as any kind of attempt to police the internet and we highly discourage you from going from here to comment on her blog and "put her in her place". If you're affected, share your story, file a JAR, file with PP, take every step you can to make things right, but don't come here and encourage each other to go and attack her on her blog. We don't send out posse's from CDN. It's her blog, and she's entitled to post in it from her point of view, no matter how wrong we may think that point of view is. I'm not saying that any of you have DONE this, but I know how easy it is for people to get caught up in the moment and before you know it there's a round of "I said this" or "I told her that" and a bunch of high-fiving and it just continues to escalate until it's totally out of control. We've seen it too many times, and I'd just like to head it off right now. Thanks for understanding.

:hide: You're right and I'm sorry.

[*Elf*]

I thought about posting on the blog but decided it just wasn't worth it.

My biggest thought was, what in the world about me attracts crazy yarn stuff. Cause between this and my other situation it just makes me want to :banghead: and go back to sleep in my non-A/C house.

[_melody_]

:hide: You're right and I'm sorry.

It's OK. I just didn't want to see something bigger get started. BTDT, already got the t-shirt, you know? :giggle:

[jaz]

I am keeping my 'drama' here, Mel. And in the squirrel room, of course.

[TNB]

It is okay to :hi5: comments made here though right? :err:

[*Elf*]

It is okay to :hi5: comments made here though right? :err:

only if you are :hi5: mine since I'm a big meanie :)

[Holly Golightly]

It is okay to :hi5: comments made here though right? :err:

Yes, you're fine :lol:

[Nikilata]

I retract my statement about feeling badly for her when I read the JA report. I would normally feel badly, even for someone who showed their arse, if they were being accused of stealing but they had already refunded and that person stole.
That said, from her blog it looks like she did get the deposit back so she has that money.
After reading her last comment about Sarah....I just don't have words. Its one thing for her to call a group of ppl wicked, to whine and carry on and be beyond over dramatic. Its an entire other thing to say what she did though.
Its mind boggling really.

Oh and on the kids going hungry thing....who lets their kids go hungry? Go to a food pantry, a church, a homeless shelter, something. There are so many ways around your kids going hungry, esp ways for someone with a home to get around it.
Sell some crap on craigslist. Sell your plasma, dig for cans to recycle, etc.
I don't believe her kids went hungry and if they did that is totally on her.
I went hungry as a kid and I assure you, its not a sudden thing. It takes at least a few weeks to actually run out of all the random food in the house and all the pennies, quarters and stuff to sell.

[Elle_Emme]

I would assume if her kids were going hungry, that the lack of food and necessary nourishment in the home also contributed to her milk drying up and miscarriage. If her family is that poor, CPS and other organizations need to step in to feed the children and help. She would also be on food stamps and WIC.

She is a liar and thief. That is the truth of the matter, no matter what her perception of the facts may be, she stole from these other moms. Maybe some of them used their grocery money to buy items and now they are out the money and product.

I know you are reading here, and I have to say, your pregnancy is likely the cause of your milk drying up, you telling you kids about your personal online issues is probably one of the most idiotic things I have head of people doing (aside from feli-shoe), and you are a horrible person and even worse Christian for all the lies and things you are posting. Try being more humble. All sins are equal in the eyes of God, and stealing is one of them.

[MaMaMeA4]

Know your facts before you start name calling...

[kwootten2]

Know your facts before you start name calling...
What exactly are you referring to?

[miau]

:popcorn:

[Dolphin_medic]

Woah, is there another car suddenly arising out of the ashes of this trainwreck?

[Shopaholic]

I'm so glad I don't use wool anymore. Yarn makes people crazy, man!
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