Anyone have more info on the DS MM co-op debacle?

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[DaynaR]

It seems like the co-op went horrible and now they're not hosting from MM anymore?

They're claiming she was rude and unhelpful in communication with the host.

Just wondering if anyone has more info on it? I'd like to avoid future MM co-ops if in fact there are issues sprouting with Morwenna. But up until I've been reading this co-op thread I've had nothing but stellar transactions and customer service from her, nor read otherwise.

[lovingmycrazylife]

Can you link to the thread or rep me a link :prettyplease:

[DaynaR]

Can I link here?

It's in the closed co-op section on DS.

[jujusmommy]

To me it looks like the co-op host fucked up. I'm thinking Morwenna isn't to blame here. What a mess!

[Lolanae]

I've never seen anything but awesome from Morwenna. I'm thinking it was probably the host messing up. Morwenna has handled dramas be for with the grace and good customer service. I can't fathom her being a screw up that didn't communicate well.

Wouldn't be the first time DS protected it's own.

[Messy]

DS co-ops scare me. Seriously it is ridiculous. Having been reading through the co-op, you come to post #1568, the mod says that "you have the right to be upset but you do NOT have the right to post it in public" Really??? So anyone talking about it here will be talking "in public" and reprimanded on DS? It is all just crazy. It was a messed up co-op (by the hostess, IMO) from the get-go.

[Julie K]

From what I've read, one big issue arose when the co-op hostess accused Morwenna of shorting them a few skeins. Turns out, the hostess had it all along in her couch :/

She said DS won't do M co-ops any more due to being shorted...then it was due to the email exchanges when she found the missing skeins, but she won't post the emails even though Morwenna gave her permission.

I also understand the at least one skein was sent to the wrong person and the person it belonged to saw it for sale on spots.

Its a mess.

I wouldn't even want to do a co-op on DS if I were Morwenna.

[My3sons]

From what I've read, one big issue arose when the co-op hostess accused Morwenna of shorting them a few skeins. Turns out, the hostess had it all along in her couch :/

She said DS won't do M co-ops any more due to being shorted...then it was due to the email exchanges when she found the missing skeins, but she won't post the emails even though Morwenna gave her permission.

I also understand the at least one skein was sent to the wrong person and the person it belonged to saw it for sale on spots.

Its a mess.

I wouldn't even want to do a co-op on DS if I were Morwenna.

:speechless: What a nightmare!

[Lolanae]

DS is like a black hole. I do not know why or how people trust any of those hostess with their money. It seems to be nothing but drama.

[Dolphin_medic]

:speechless:

:whew: I considered ordering in that co-op :err:

[DaynaR]

From what I've read, one big issue arose when the co-op hostess accused Morwenna of shorting them a few skeins. Turns out, the hostess had it all along in her couch :/

She said DS won't do M co-ops any more due to being shorted...then it was due to the email exchanges when she found the missing skeins, but she won't post the emails even though Morwenna gave her permission.

I also understand the at least one skein was sent to the wrong person and the person it belonged to saw it for sale on spots.

Its a mess.

I wouldn't even want to do a co-op on DS if I were Morwenna.


I wouldn't either if I was Morwenna.

I read most of it and what happened. I blame the whole thing on the host from what I read.

It just seems that if a whole site is not going to do co-ops with her anymore something bigger than host screw up must have Happened?

Or are the host/admin's really just that douchey to say no more to cover their own mistakeS?

[RowBabyRow]

I am saddened that Morwenna's reputation is being threatened by DS douchenozzlery.

[Julie K]

what crazy is that between what the mod is saying her actually not posting the emails, it leave so much open to speculation and to Morwenna's credibility. That's no accident!

Me thinks that the emails actually make the mod look even worse than she already does.

[Dolphin_medic]

what crazy is that between what the mod is saying her actually not posting the emails, it leave so much open to speculation and to Morwenna's credibility. That's no accident!

Me thinks that the emails actually make the mod look even worse than she already does.

This would be my guess as well. And DS stands behind their co-op hosts regardless. I feel bad for Morwenna, and I wouldn't blame her one bit for not working with them again.

Would someone else please explain to me how experienced yarnies are saying cestari and MMW look/feel alike? I can see how a newbie could not see it, but the experienced ones have me :scratch:

[TNB]

I have seen the emails from the hostess and morwenna...and it is total BS that the hostess is not posting them because it would "hurt morwenna"...she is not posting them because they show what a tool sh eis...and it totally contridicts stuff she is saying to the group versus the truth of how it all happened.

Oh also nice tidbit of info is this co-op hostess was even PAID by Morwenna for her work yet she keeps trying to make it out like she does all this for free and has to put up with soooo much.

I would not do a DS co-op if they offered me double my prices. That place is poison and it is one thing after another with co-ops there. When you have WAHMS having NO prob;ems with co-ops or customers or customer service anywhere else..then do a DS co-op and have all hell break loose....and it keeps happening over and over with various WAHMS...then I think that says something about the place not the WAHMS.

The whole thing just pisses me off to no end. Morweena is an amazing WAHM and person. This all total bullshit.

[*Elf*]

You all realize that this being in a closed portion means that you aren't allowed to bring it here?

[TNB]

I realize you mean Dayna, Elf but just FTR...I know all about this and I am not at DS.

I think this is already all over the interwebz.

[Julie K]

I have seen the emails from the hostess and morwenna...and it is total BS that the hostess is not posting them because it would "hurt morwenna"...she is not posting them because they show what a tool sh eis...and it totally contridicts stuff she is saying to the group versus the truth of how it all happened.

Oh also nice tidbit of info is this co-op hostess was even PAID by Morwenna for her work yet she keeps trying to make it out like she does all this for free and has to put up with soooo much.

I would not do a DS co-op if they offered me double my prices. That place is poison and it is one thing after another with co-ops there. When you have WAHMS having NO prob;ems with co-ops or customers or customer service anywhere else..then do a DS co-op and have all hell break loose....and it keeps happening over and over with various WAHMS...then I think that says something about the place not the WAHMS.

The whole thing just pisses me off to no end. Morweena is an amazing WAHM and person. This all total bull~POOP~.

eeeenteresting!

You all realize that this being in a closed portion means that you aren't allowed to bring it here?

we can't quote from there. No one is.

[TNB]

Can Dayna get in trouble anyway?

[Julie K]

I wouldn't think so? Its not like its a closed forum because its all secret stuff. you just can't get in unless you're allowed to participate as far as I know.

Its being talked about on many boards right now, that's for sure.

[Dolphin_medic]

Wait, Morwenna paid the co-op hostess??

I guess I knew they profitted some off the fees and whatnot, but WAHMs are actually paying the hostesses?

:shakehead:

[Danni]

I am quite sure the closed rorum stuff is meant for more personal stuff not places that coupld affect any of us who B/S/T/ or coop.

[Messy]

You all realize that this being in a closed portion means that you aren't allowed to bring it here?

I would have to care :eyeroll: It is not a supersecretneedadecodorring room on DS. You just have to be allowed to do co-ops to see it.
The hostess was PAID???? OMg! Whaddadouche.
When you are doing a co-op and playing with $12,000 in peoples' money, then you really need to get your freaking act together. She lost 2 skeins of yarn and tried to blame Morweena. Niiiice. Morweena REFUNDED her the money for the two yarn skeins SHE lost.
Crazy crap. But more DS trying to sweep their problems under the rug. If they hide it, nobody will know :hahano:

[TNB]

It is not the norm that I know of, but that is just how awesome Marweena is. She knows her co-ops are huge and complex and require quite a bit of work so she wanted to compensate the hostess for the time and work.

It just makes me even more upset at that hostess for acting like a total child. SHE messed this up. SHE submitted the order before it was final then had to come back with a bazllion changes. SHE messed up those changes even and forgot to submit part of the order! SHE lost part of the order then miraculously found it under her couch. SHE did all this...NOT Morwenna.
Yet she has thrown Morwenna under the bus at every step to try and make herself look good and like a victim. :puke:

[Julie K]

I wish people would demand to see those emails.

Not that it would do any good.

[KRusso]

What Nikki said. That those cows are placing the blame on Morwenna is incredible. I think DS has bitten off more than they could chew in the blame game this time.

[Julie K]

Or that Morwenna would come there and post them. But I know Morwenna's more classy than that :wub:

[kitty1163]

can someone rep me the coop host??

[GreenMimama]

Does that mean MM can do more coops here :)

[Messy]

You got rep ;)

[Julie K]

Does that mean MM can do more coops here :)

She's basically doing co-ops on her rav group mostly. But I did hear that she'll do them with previous hosts that she's had success with.

[Katiebear]

Is this being discussed other places (that are not DS)? I'd to read more about it :err:

[TNB]

I really hope those emails come out over there. REALLY REALLY hope.

I am so mad for Morwenna right now :fishfight:

[Danni]

From what I've read, one big issue arose when the co-op hostess accused Morwenna of shorting them a few skeins. Turns out, the hostess had it all along in her couch :/




It just makes me even more upset at that hostess for acting like a total child. SHE messed this up. SHE submitted the order before it was final then had to come back with a bazllion changes. SHE messed up those changes even and forgot to submit part of the order! SHE lost part of the order then miraculously found it under her couch. SHE did all this...NOT Morwenna.
:
Does she have some kind of time warp couch? It seems to eat thing and spit them back out later.

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[TNB]

Does she have some kind of time warp couch? It seems to eat thing and spit them back out later.
inorit?

[Dolphin_medic]

What is killing me is after all the fiasco, the time warp couch spits out the yarn and so many people are :asspat: Oh, it's ok no one is perfect and things happen....:twitch: Really?

[aufrog]

This just disgusts me. How about some BGP and own up to your own mistakes!!! Yeah...WTG DS for covering the ass of a coop host so she can just screw up even more.

BTW - :err: someone want to rep me who the hostess was?

[cheerrabbit]

It is not the norm that I know of, but that is just how awesome Marweena is. She knows her co-ops are huge and complex and require quite a bit of work so she wanted to compensate the hostess for the time and work.

It just makes me even more upset at that hostess for acting like a total child. SHE messed this up. SHE submitted the order before it was final then had to come back with a bazllion changes. SHE messed up those changes even and forgot to submit part of the order! SHE lost part of the order then miraculously found it under her couch. SHE did all this...NOT Morwenna.
Yet she has thrown Morwenna under the bus at every step to try and make herself look good and like a victim. :puke:
Wow...:shakehead:

[jsnichols1]

This just disgusts me. How about some BGP and own up to your own mistakes!!! Yeah...WTG DS for covering the ass of a coop host so she can just screw up even more.

BTW - :err: someone want to rep me who the hostess was?

Will do. :-)

[_melody_]

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[Messy]

luvmykiddoes <--- DS Hostess who is forever the martyr of the unpaid mistreated hostess.
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http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1281295&page=45 Linky to the thread.
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Mind you, post #1568 demandshush hush no talky talky!!!
mOmof3, superDSmod, demands this!
The rest of the posts to this thread need to be directly relating the yarn. If you rec your yarn post here or have a direct question about shipping. ALL other comments/questions you want to make need to be sent to a super mod or admin and not posted in the public. I am finding a lot of comments a little uncalled for and need to be taken to an upper. It is very rude to post on a coop how badly you think the host has done and give her constructive criticism. You DO have a right to be upset on how a coop has been ran but you do NOT have the right to post it on a public board. Any more posts towards the host here will be warnings and if you keep it up you will be removed from coops all together.
http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14327524&postcount=1568

[Messy]

And this is not a WAHM problem. This is a DS hostess problem. She caused the dramaz, ran a co-op sloppily, and threw the WAHM under the bus that she was driving. The hostess lost product, blamed the WAHM, and did a lot of other unprofessional things that made the co-op participants have issues. However, she was able to cry martyr and unpaid civilian, and that the WAHM apologized to her for her indiscretions :eyeroll: She conveniently put that in there with her claim that she apologized.

[TNB]

how flipping ridiculous is that.

"You have the right to bash on said WAHM but once you realize it was your hostess who was the tool we demand you then do not turn that ire on her or dare speak publicly about it. God forbid we try and fix the damage we may have caused the WAHM. Thank you."
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Unpaid civilian *snort*.... hardly.

[aufrog]

:gaah:

[Messy]

I am totally disgusted at Heather's behavior in this. I am not shocked at DS's mod behavior. Totally their norm.

[DaynaR]

I have seen the emails from the hostess and morwenna...and it is total BS that the hostess is not posting them because it would "hurt morwenna"...she is not posting them because they show what a tool sh eis...and it totally contridicts stuff she is saying to the group versus the truth of how it all happened.

Oh also nice tidbit of info is this co-op hostess was even PAID by Morwenna for her work yet she keeps trying to make it out like she does all this for free and has to put up with soooo much.

I would not do a DS co-op if they offered me double my prices. That place is poison and it is one thing after another with co-ops there. When you have WAHMS having NO prob;ems with co-ops or customers or customer service anywhere else..then do a DS co-op and have all hell break loose....and it keeps happening over and over with various WAHMS...then I think that says something about the place not the WAHMS.

The whole thing just pisses me off to no end. Morweena is an amazing WAHM and person. This all total bull~POOP~.

Really, she was paid?! That's crazy.

I wish we could see those e-mails.

[aufrog]

I am totally disgusted at Heather's behavior in this. I am not shocked at DS's mod behavior. Totally their norm.


yes to this. And to the being paid part and still not taking blame after she found the yarn.

[gen1275]

WTF??? You cannot post your displeasure at a co-op host that has royally screwed up?? Are you flippin serious??

One thing's for sure, I will not be doing co-ops with DS.
The rest of the posts to this thread need to be directly relating the yarn. If you rec your yarn post here or have a direct question about shipping. ALL other comments/questions you want to make need to be sent to a super mod or admin and not posted in the public. I am finding a lot of comments a little uncalled for and need to be taken to an upper. It is very rude to post on a coop how badly you think the host has done and give her constructive criticism. You DO have a right to be upset on how a coop has been ran but you do NOT have the right to post it on a public board. Any more posts towards the host here will be warnings and if you keep it up you will be removed from coops all together

[BackLitLeo]

Well, apparently DS IS the internet police, so they get to decide whether or not someone posts their OPINION on a public board. I see. :scratch:

I am far removed from this madness, but just looking at the title...

Hmm... WAHM with long history of excellent customer service or DS co-op hostofthemonth? Who is more likely to screw this up? :looky:

[gen1275]

WTF??? You cannot post your displeasure at a co-op host that has royally screwed up?? Are you flippin serious??

One thing's for sure, I will not be doing co-ops with DS.

[Paty's Loveys]

I got this from people who have access to DS coop part of the board.

Long and short is that Heather misplaced some skeins of yarn and blamed Morwenna. Morwenna was adamant that she did not short any skeins and said she would refund money only and not redye yarn. Heather eventually found the missings skeins, but in the meantime there were people upset because they thought someone had been shipped them by mistake and were keeping them
Also some people were unhappy that their skeins didnt match
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and the fiber was mis-handled
i know that got relayed to morwenna
though it never got brought up on the thread


(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000094676586)
Fiber was stuffed in polymailers with no protection


[URL="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000094676586"]or frb's with no weatherproof bagging...
Or just too many braids crammed into a small polymailer

[gen1275]

Woops, double post.

[BackLitLeo]

I got this from people who have access to DS coop part of the board.

Long and short is that Heather misplaced some skeins of yarn and blamed Morwenna. Morwenna was adamant that she did not short any skeins and said she would refund money only and not redye yarn. Heather eventually found the missings skeins, but in the meantime there were people upset because they thought someone had been shipped them by mistake and were keeping them
Also some people were unhappy that their skeins didnt match

and the fiber was mis-handled
i know that got relayed to morwenna
though it never got brought up on the thread



Fiber was stuffed in polymailers with no protection


or frb's with no weatherproof bagging...
Or just too many braids crammed into a small polymailer
I would venture to guess that if it was brought up, it went *poof* before anyone could read it in true DS style.

[Paty's Loveys]

I would venture to guess that if it was brought up, it went *poof* before anyone could read it in true DS style.
Probably and one reason because I don't really post there anymore.

[OhMama]

This is so upsetting.

Hmm... WAHM with long history of excellent customer service or DS co-op hostofthemonth? Who is more likely to screw this up?

Exactly.

Some of these places are like sharks~ smell a little blood on the water and go on a frenzy, biting anyone or anything they can get their teeth into.

Morwenna made up for errors the hostess made and blamed her for.
That is classy with a C (vs. a 'k' ;))

I pulled way back from doing co-ops due to the type of behaviour that we are seeing at DS, I was thinking about dipping my toe back in the water... this reminds me why it isn't safe to swim...

[nini02]

Hmm... WAHM with long history of excellent customer service or DS co-op hostofthemonth? Who is more likely to screw this up? :looky:

This is pretty much my first and last thought on the subject. I seriously doubt that Morwenna's reputation will be the one hurt by this, no matter how hard DS tries. They can try to hide the truth over there all they want, but they are not the controller of information on the interwebs and people will learn the truth somewhere else. Idiots.

[TNB]

It is all seriously just mindblowing.
The lack of accountability held to their hostesses is UNREAL.

How the hell would it possible be Morwennas fault the hostess did not sort skeins properly or pack then right??

On top of everything else she did wrong too.

It is a madhouse over there.

[Lolanae]

I will say I've had nothing but awesome experiences with Morwenna. I've had her answer questions, help me, ect. This pisses me off majorly. She is an awesome WAHM.

[Messy]

Peachy asks if she was paid and here come the sheeples crying "dead horse". Really??? WTF???
DS is always out to screw the participants on the board. They think their mods and hosts are infallible and scrub each others' backs in covering up their own wrong doing. It is pathetic.

[orcasbride]

Ugh. This makes me so sad. I bought yarn from Morwena through a coop before and LOVE it. Such wonderful quality and beautifully dyed.

I get that things happen. For me it's not the end of the world that "the couch ate" a couple skeins of yarn. Really life happens. It's the way you handle it. Having done quite a few coops myself as a seller, the coop seller and the coop host should be on very friendly terms, they should work together, if something goes wrong there shouldn't be finger pointing, you should just get the problem rectified.

Poor Morwena.

[emerelaino]

I wondered why the sudden appearance of coop by MM on Rav. I can't believe anyone is trying to slur Morwenna's name, she has such a long successful history as a WAHM and I have participated in many coops and clubs of hers all with great support and communication from her. She is one of a few WAHMs that I have never hesitated to purchase from and it kind of makes me sick someone is trying to shirk responsibility and throw it on her. :( Another reminder why I have not ventured back to DS since coming to CDN.

[yeswehave8]

Well I said my piece about it all. It's sad that they found the ONE thing that they thought they could use against Morwenna (some CW inconsistency) instead of admitting that mistakes were made by the hostess. I think Morwenna's CWs are the most consistent on the market. Seriously, I have purchased skeins from different sources and knit them together and they matched perfectly. How many dyers can match that level?

[jaz]

I cannot believe the woman didn't count the number of skeins she got FIRST THING. You don't ship everything out and then when people don't have their skeins, say, "oh, gosh, must have been shorted, ayup, not my fault, nope." No, you count your product at the beginning before you start packing orders. That's just common sense! Which apparently isn't very common anymore!

Also, can anyone elucidate the issue with the colors of the trim? One of the colorways was supposed to get navy trim and royal trim and people only got royal trim. Who screwed up there?

[Jenga]

wow poor morwenna

[Alexandzoesmom]

I cannot believe the woman didn't count the number of skeins she got FIRST THING. You don't ship everything out and then when people don't have their skeins, say, "oh, gosh, must have been shorted, ayup, not my fault, nope." No, you count your product at the beginning before you start packing orders. That's just common sense! Which apparently isn't very common anymore!

Also, can anyone elucidate the issue with the colors of the trim? One of the colorways was supposed to get navy trim and royal trim and people only got royal trim. Who screwed up there?

For whatever it is worth, I am paranoid about this when I host. I count, sort everyone's orders, double check everyone's orders, then start on shipping totals.

Of course, it means my house ends up looking like a UPS warehouse....

Anyway, what a mess :sigh:

[BeccatheGreat]

Beth, invite me over when JT gets there! :booyah:
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Because, I am MORE than happy to "help" you "sort" everything. :teehee:

[TNB]

Peachy asks if she was paid and here come the sheeples crying "dead horse". Really??? WTF???
DS is always out to screw the participants on the board. They think their mods and hosts are infallible and scrub each others' backs in covering up their own wrong doing. It is pathetic.
How is that a dead horse if the wahm claims she does all this free and 'waaaah waaaah waaah poor her'..?


I hate liars.

[Julie K]

She said now that she didn't get paid and that she got "credit" which is common for WAHMs to do for hosts of co-ops...

[TNB]

I cannot believe the woman didn't count the number of skeins she got FIRST THING. You don't ship everything out and then when people don't have their skeins, say, "oh, gosh, must have been shorted, ayup, not my fault, nope." No, you count your product at the beginning before you start packing orders. That's just common sense! Which apparently isn't very common anymore!

Also, can anyone elucidate the issue with the colors of the trim? One of the colorways was supposed to get navy trim and royal trim and people only got royal trim. Who screwed up there?
I know that every color that was ordered was packed in the box...now how it was sorted and sent once it arrived is an entirely different topic. But if Heather ordered both navy and royal then it was there when the box arrived TO her.


Maybe her couch ate the navy trim too :giggle:

[erinkimberley17]

Yowsers

[Lolanae]

Admin:

Is this HS directed at Morweena or the DS co-op host?

[BeccatheGreat]

I don't think it's really a HS directed at a particular person, more to gather information for now.

[Holly Golightly]

:yeahthat: It was moved to the HS to make it more visible and available if any of the involved parties would like to come post.

[Lolanae]

Gotcha. Just wanted to make sure my migraine brain was on the correct path. :lol:

[k8secondo]

I am saddened that Morwenna's reputation is being threatened by DS douchenozzlery.

Well said! This whole fiasco is DS's and the hostesses problem NOT Morwenna's.

Well I said my piece about it all. It's sad that they found the ONE thing that they thought they could use against Morwenna (some CW inconsistency) instead of admitting that mistakes were made by the hostess. I think Morwenna's CWs are the most consistent on the market. Seriously, I have purchased skeins from different sources and knit them together and they matched perfectly. How many dyers can match that level?

Me too. I got 3 different skeins from different co-ops and time periods and they all matched perfectly! Not many dyers can be that consistent!

She said now that she didn't get paid and that she got "credit" which is common for WAHMs to do for hosts of co-ops...

Um....she collected money that wasn't hers from the participants, sent it it over to Morwenna and was credited a portion back. She ends up getting money that was not hers in return for doing a job. Sounds like the definition of "payment" to me!

[TNB]

Also, can anyone elucidate the issue with the colors of the trim? One of the colorways was supposed to get navy trim and royal trim and people only got royal trim. Who screwed up there?


OKAaaaayy...this was what I thought it was but before saying anything I wanted to confirm that it was the portion of the emails back and forth that I thought it to be.


This is posted with permission from Morwenna, she wanted to show that the blue trim was ordered in this fashion, telling her for it all to be the same color:

On 11/7/11 7:19 PM, babione family wrote:
......

Also, there was 1 trim on mcn dk for treasure map that I had listed as bright blue. Apparently it was supposed to be dark blue. Could that be changed?

Thanks,
Heather


November 7, 2011

Definitely can change that blue--I will note it right now. I'm glad you didn't ask about the sock yet--my nice supplier sent some out Express to me today and I should have it Thursday--so no need to change, I will just save some dye and do the sock on Thursday.

~~M

November 7, 2011

I haven't dyed Treasure Map for a while, so I wasn't really thinking when I got the order for 2 different shades of blue--there's only one blue in Treasure Map--sort of a med to dark shade. Shall I do all the trims this same blue?

~~M


On 11/7/11 7:31 PM, babione family wrote:
Yes, that's fine. I think that's what they all wanted anyway. It's just colors are subjective when you are looking online. KWIM?


November 7, 2011

Great, thanks!

~~M

The hostess told her to do all the trim the same blues. It seems to me that she made this call on her own without confirming what the customers wanted. Morwenna simply followed what she was told to do.



Also...the credit vs payment. SEMANTICS. The "credit" was money she got to keep out of the customers payments. It was cash money that she kept from the total before sending the balance to Morwenna.
Calling it a credit is BS...it makes it sound like it was not real money. It was.

[Julie K]

Um....she collected money that wasn't hers from the participants, sent it it over to Morwenna and was credited a portion back. She ends up getting money that was not hers in return for doing a job. Sounds like the definition of "payment" to me!

yep me too. I was thinking that she got credit to buy some yarn or something from Morwenna and even THAT I'd consider payment.

[CowgirlMomma]

Wow. Morwenna is one of the only WAHMS I buy from without blinking an eye. She is awesome to deal with! I feel so bad for her. i was wondering about the co-op change too when I saw it on Rav.

[Olivias momma]

I spent a lot in that DS co-op and it was very poorly run IMO. My yarn and fiber came stuffed into 2 poly mailers taped together with holes in it. No protection for the yarn and I paid almost $40 just for shipping alone

[TNB]

I spent a lot in that DS co-op and it was very poorly run IMO. My yarn and fiber came stuffed into 2 poly mailers taped together with holes in it. No protection for the yarn and I paid almost $40 just for shipping alone:( That is awful I would have been upset too. It doesn't take much extra time for the hostess to put them in a ziplock or something to offer added protection. Or double poly mailer...just something to protect it better!
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oh wait I just reread and realized your SHIPPING was 40$??? what on earth for?

[*Elf*]

All I know is that I was pissed it took so long to get it sorted. And that people could do the SFRB and MFRB or whatever it was. Then all those people got done first :sigh:

Then on top of that, someone else got my trim. I had specified blue. I got gold. I was just whatever, give me my yarn, it worked out okay because I do like the gold but still....

I also got one of the host's child's toys. Which is going out tomorrow. (Yes, I'm aware it is late, just been lazy and had a lot going on)

All I could think of when getting the toy and then the yarn found in the couch was "What in the world was the yarn doing on the couch?" and "Why in the heck was my yarn and package allowed around your child?"

(I do not mean that all the yarn in every coop should be kept away from every child, but they should be monitored and you should not allow your child to mess with someone else's product.)

[messy mama]

I spent a lot in that DS co-op and it was very poorly run IMO. My yarn and fiber came stuffed into 2 poly mailers taped together with holes in it. No protection for the yarn and I paid almost $40 just for shipping alone

That sucks! How much did it actually cost to ship it?

[TNB]

All I know is that I was pissed it took so long to get it sorted. And that people could do the SFRB and MFRB or whatever it was. Then all those people got done first :sigh:

Then on top of that, someone else got my trim. I had specified blue. I got gold. I was just whatever, give me my yarn, it worked out okay because I do like the gold but still....

I also got one of the host's child's toys. Which is going out tomorrow. (Yes, I'm aware it is late, just been lazy and had a lot going on)

All I could think of when getting the toy and then the yarn found in the couch was "What in the world was the yarn doing on the couch?" and "Why in the heck was my yarn and package allowed around your child?"

(I do not mean that all the yarn in every coop should be kept away from every child, but they should be monitored and you should not allow your child to mess with someone else's product.)

wait... what? like the child was messing with the packages and put a toy in and then it was sealed up and shipped to you?

oy vay.

[Julie K]

$40 in shipping? Wha?

[cammiesue]

All I know is that I was pissed it took so long to get it sorted. And that people could do the SFRB and MFRB or whatever it was. Then all those people got done first :sigh:

Then on top of that, someone else got my trim. I had specified blue. I got gold. I was just whatever, give me my yarn, it worked out okay because I do like the gold but still....

I also got one of the host's child's toys. Which is going out tomorrow. (Yes, I'm aware it is late, just been lazy and had a lot going on)

All I could think of when getting the toy and then the yarn found in the couch was "What in the world was the yarn doing on the couch?" and "Why in the heck was my yarn and package allowed around your child?"

(I do not mean that all the yarn in every coop should be kept away from every child, but they should be monitored and you should not allow your child to mess with someone else's product.)

Hey free toy :booyah: really though how in the world does that happen?? Why would you risk letting children near yarn that is not yours?

[*Elf*]

wait... what? like the child was messing with the packages and put a toy in and then it was sealed up and shipped to you?

oy vay.

No idea but I have a Matroyska Toy that is going back to her daughter tomorrow. It's the littlest in the set, where it is the only one that doesn't open up anymore but still ..... I understand it is small, but how in the world it got into my huge poly mailer I have no idea.

I got I think 15 or 6 skeins and 7 or 8 trims. This time she put it in a polymailer. Last time she put it in a huge box and it jacked up my shipping quite a bit. I'd have to look it up but I was NOT happy at all about the additional cost.

[aufrog]

a TOY in your package?? How on earth does that happen?? I've done many coops and where I sort is near my kids play area and I've never sent a toy out. I don't even allow my kids to mess with coop goods.

[Olivias momma]

The shipping was close to $40. I got over $400 worth of yarn

[BackLitLeo]

That is ate up. Even just doing play food and doll clothing swaps here, I've been super picky about where my supplies go. I didn't let the kids nor the cats anywhere near my WIPs. I understand that it was a whole lot of yarn, but if she didn't have the capability of keeping the yarn safe from the time it arrived on her doorstep until it was shipped to the owner then she didn't have any business running a co-op. I can't imagine just being so careless with someone else's things, especially expensive yarn.

[Olivias momma]

And fiber. I think it was 5 braids of fiber and 15 skeins of yarn. Or more. I'm afraid to count it all lol

[k8secondo]

The shipping was close to $40. I got over $400 worth of yarn

10% on shipping isn't bad, IMO. Yarn is light, but it takes up a lot of space. How was it sent?

[*Elf*]

Yup. Toy. No idea. I looked it up, I had 19 skeins and 8 trims. I almost threw out the package without realizing the toy was there.

Last time was 6 skeins and 2 trims and it cost 8.47 for 2.7 pounds and it was only 1.75 pounds of yarn. This times was 11.67 for 5.75 pounds. I sent 20.00 to cover insurance for 500$ but I didn't know how much exactly the insurance would cost. I never got a refund for any of the amount so I just assumed the amount was correct.

But, anyways, point was, that is a very SMALL discrepancy for 4 pounds difference.

[aufrog]

Yup. Toy. No idea. I looked it up, I had 19 skeins and 8 trims. I almost threw out the package without realizing the toy was there.

Last time was 6 skeins and 2 trims and it cost 8.47 for 2.7 pounds and it was only 1.75 pounds of yarn. This times was 11.67 for 5.75 pounds. I sent 20.00 to cover insurance for 500$ but I didn't know how much exactly the insurance would cost. I never got a refund for any of the amount so I just assumed the amount was correct.

But, anyways, point was, that is a very SMALL discrepancy for 4 pounds difference.

So you paid $20 total for the second shipment or $20 on top of the 11.67 to cover ins?


I posted this in a thread the other day in case you want to keep it for reference

USPS domestic insurance prices
Insured value
Price in addition to postage
$0.01 to $50.00
$1.75
$50.01 to $100.00
$2.25
$100.01 to $200.00
$2.75
$200.01 to $300.00
$4.70
$300.01 to $400.00
$5.70
$400.01 to $500.00
$6.70
$500.01 to $600.00*
$7.70
$600.01 to $5000.00*
$7.70 plus $1.00 per $100.00 or fraction thereof over $600.00 in declared value

[Julie K]

wow, she got a nice tip, eh? wouldn't you think she'd say something when she got overpaid?

oh wait...

[*Elf*]

I paid 20.00 total. So person would receive 19.12 after fees minus 11.67 and 6.70 comes to 0.75, not a big difference.

[Julie K]

ah, that makes more sense lol

[Olivias momma]

10% on shipping isn't bad, IMO. Yarn is light, but it takes up a lot of space. How was it sent?

Parcel post

[k8secondo]

It looks like Elf got a similar amount of yarn (if not more) and her shipping plus insurance was only $20. I wonder why yours was so much more? :shrug:

[*Elf*]

Parcel post

I can't understand her spreadsheet.

It looks like you paid 3 payments? Equaling 429.93 after fees were taken out. And your total was 447.50. Leaving 17.57 still owed.

But, according to the spreadsheet you owed an additional 16.07? Maybe the difference is the coop fee? But then it says parcel post is 37.51, not sure if that includes the 16.07/17.57 or not , or even if it includes insurance.

Definitely not clear enough :huh:

[Olivias momma]

I did make 3 payments and I actually ordered 25 skeins. Holy cow I did t want to figure my total before lol
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Oh I paid 3 payment cause I split the 2nd ply between 2 cards thru PayPal
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2nd payment ... iPod has a mind of its own lol

[*Elf*]

So, it is saying that 21.44 is due for shipping, so 6.70 for insurance as well (500$ worth) so base cost of 14.74 for the parcel post.

Based off of my simple brain only.
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even with insurance of $600 it would still be a base cost of 13.74 for the parcel post

[Olivias momma]

And I owed 15 for another braid I picked up. Just remembered that

[TNB]

you now...this continuing denying the "credit" was a payment is really burning me. Semantics BS. I don't get why they cannot just say..YES Morwenna Credited...AKA...PAID her because it was a HUGE freaking job and co-op. M though it worth it and was not forced to pay her, so it really does not matter other than it shows what an ungrateful shit Heather is.

What?
Gives poor Morwenna too much credit? Nooooo they cannot possibly do that.

[willow]

What a mess, I wouldn't be surprised if other dyers stopped doing DS co-ops
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and the whole credit =/= payment thing burns me. If you receive compensation for your time or work it is payment!

[Paty's Loveys]

What a mess, I wouldn't be surprised if other dyers stopped doing DS co-ops
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and the whole credit =/= payment thing burns me. If you receive compensation for your time or work it is payment!
I know for a fact that some will not do them there anymore.

[VinhThiMom]

How much was this 'credit' she got?

[KRusso]

It was over $200.

[aufrog]

you now...this continuing denying the "credit" was a payment is really burning me. Semantics BS. I don't get why they cannot just say..YES Morwenna Credited...AKA...PAID her because it was a HUGE freaking job and co-op. M though it worth it and was not forced to pay her, so it really does not matter other than it shows what an ungrateful ~POOP~ Heather is.

What?
Gives poor Morwenna too much credit? Nooooo they cannot possibly do that.

The credit to me isn't an issue it's the ungratefulness that you speak of that pisses me off as well. Someone pays her, credits her back because of her stupid mistake and still gets thrown under the bus :hahano: not cool. Heather needs to get her head out of her ass and be thankful for what she got and take some responsibility for her own shortcomings and mistakes. It's obvious that Morwenna made no mistakes in this yet she is the one being made out to be the bad person (from what I see in this thread) on DS. That makes me SOOOO mad.

If I make a mistake in a coop I OWN it. Why blame someone else? Grow the fuck up and put some BGP on. :gaah:

[Julie K]

The credit to me isn't an issue it's the ungratefulness that you speak of that pisses me off as well. Someone pays her, credits her back because of her stupid mistake and still gets thrown under the bus :hahano: not cool. Heather needs to get her head out of her ass and be thankful for what she got and take some responsibility for her own shortcomings and mistakes. It's obvious that Morwenna made no mistakes in this yet she is the one being made out to be the bad person (from what I see in this thread) on DS. That makes me SOOOO mad.

If I make a mistake in a coop I OWN it. Why blame someone else? Grow the ~FARK~ up and put some BGP on. :gaah:

exactly!

[*Elf*]

It was over $200.

Based on my knowledge of how it works, it would have been pretty close to $250.

The credit to me isn't an issue it's the ungratefulness that you speak of that pisses me off as well. Someone pays her, credits her back because of her stupid mistake and still gets thrown under the bus :hahano: not cool. Heather needs to get her head out of her ass and be thankful for what she got and take some responsibility for her own shortcomings and mistakes. It's obvious that Morwenna made no mistakes in this yet she is the one being made out to be the bad person (from what I see in this thread) on DS. That makes me SOOOO mad.

If I make a mistake in a coop I OWN it. Why blame someone else? Grow the ~FARK~ up and put some BGP on. :gaah:

:yeahthat: I was very shocked with all that was going down with the throwing Morwenna under the bus, then she is vindicated and now they are throwing her under the bus again.

[KRusso]

It isn't just throwing people under the bus. It is libel. If Morwenna could point to them and their lies and say they are damaging her business, they could be in legal trouble.

[Rocket Queen]

Thank cthullu I use linux. Virus swappers is filled with entertainment right now. What a clusterfuck.
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[*Elf*]

It isn't just throwing people under the bus. It is libel. If Morwenna could point to them and their lies and say they are damaging her business, they could be in legal trouble.

Yes, but she can't, and if people give her information it would be thrown out.

[Julie K]

It isn't just throwing people under the bus. It is libel. If Morwenna could point to them and their lies and say they are damaging her business, they could be in legal trouble.

Oh that would be fun to watch! Even with just the few brainwashed DS sheeple who said they'd not buy from her again, it might be worth it

[KRusso]

How would it be thrown out? Just because DS has a super secret room doesn't mean that things said in there are legally out of bounds.

[*Elf*]

How would it be thrown out? Just because DS has a super secret room doesn't mean that things said in there are legally out of bounds.

I disagree, it does. Because it violates the TOS of the site.

She could try but it is still a risk.

Just like, I could have been in a lot of trouble if I had removed the information about Maria without the admin's consent.

[KRusso]

Adding...DS is messing with people's livelihoods here. That they take up for a co-op hostess who loses nothing but perhaps the chance to host another co-op and get compensated for it over a person's business reputation is supremely dumb.

[Julie K]

:huh2:
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:huh2:

whoops, meant to quote Elf

[KRusso]

Well, I disagree. Not that Morwenna is discussing the possibility of suing DS for libel to me.
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Who is Maria?

[Lolanae]

If Morweena can make a good case for libel, secret room or not, it could happen. Just like private FB profiles aren't really private. If things said in that room to a handful of people, make the rounds, damage her business, ect. The source still traces back to DS.

[aufrog]

I disagree, it does. Because it violates the TOS of the site.

She could try but it is still a risk.

Just like, I could have been in a lot of trouble if I had removed the information about Maria without the admin's consent.


I'm not quite understanding how it can be thrown out in court just because someone took it out of a closed area (and only closed because it's an opt in area of the board). So what if violates the TOS. DS is NOT the law like they like to claim to be :looky:

[KRusso]

A TOS just regards whether they will allow you to use their site. Nothing that will protect them if it can be proven they are lying about businesses and damaging their reputation.

[aufrog]

A TOS just regards whether they will allow you to use their site. Nothing that will protect them if it can be proven they are lying about businesses and damaging their reputation.

exactly. you said it much better than me

[*Elf*]

Eh, I just looked through their TOS. They don't have anything about removing things from closed areas :huh: You would think that would be a no-brainer to add in.
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Well, I disagree. Not that Morwenna is discussing the possibility of suing DS for libel to me.
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Who is Maria?

Someone I had an awful and long, drawn out transaction with. She was put in the DS equivalent of HIO. And I had to get permission from the DS mod/admin in charge of it to bring that information here to warn people.

[Julie K]

I don't think it would matter if they did add it in.

[aufrog]

They only thing they can do to you for taking "private" stuff from the board is ban you from their site. and for DS that is a big ol' :whoopdeedoo:

[jaz]

All I know is that I was pissed it took so long to get it sorted. And that people could do the SFRB and MFRB or whatever it was. Then all those people got done first :sigh:

Then on top of that, someone else got my trim. I had specified blue. I got gold. I was just whatever, give me my yarn, it worked out okay because I do like the gold but still....

I also got one of the host's child's toys. Which is going out tomorrow. (Yes, I'm aware it is late, just been lazy and had a lot going on)

All I could think of when getting the toy and then the yarn found in the couch was "What in the world was the yarn doing on the couch?" and "Why in the heck was my yarn and package allowed around your child?"

(I do not mean that all the yarn in every coop should be kept away from every child, but they should be monitored and you should not allow your child to mess with someone else's product.)

a TOY in your package?? How on earth does that happen?? I've done many coops and where I sort is near my kids play area and I've never sent a toy out. I don't even allow my kids to mess with coop goods.

I got an iPod nano tucked in with my order once in a DS coop.

When I've hosted a swap, I am scared to death about mixing things up and sending out the wrong stuff. For the Quiet book swap, I was packing everyone's pages at the same time and one pile fell into the other. And what did I do? I started over from the beginning. I unsorted all of the pages and re-sorted again. THen I checked each order at least twice against my spreadsheet. I would NEVER allow my kids around the items because they might wander off. Absolutely not a risk I want to take with things that belong to others! I just cannot believe she packed the wrong fibers and colors.

[sciencefair]

I got an iPod nano tucked in with my order once in a DS coop.

When I've hosted a swap, I am scared to death about mixing things up and sending out the wrong stuff. For the Quiet book swap, I was packing everyone's pages at the same time and one pile fell into the other. And what did I do? I started over from the beginning. I unsorted all of the pages and re-sorted again. THen I checked each order at least twice against my spreadsheet. I would NEVER allow my kids around the items because they might wander off. Absolutely not a risk I want to take with things that belong to others! I just cannot believe she packed the wrong fibers and colors.

That is how I do it with co-ops. I might do initial sorting around the kids (I usually check the entire order before sorting if I can). Then I sort into mailers with the person's screenname and zip on it (usually with the kids around then as well). But, before I print a label I check the order again, and if I print out 15 labels, I check each order before actually putting on each label. Also, once its sorted it goes into a locked room that the kids can't get into. And some co-ops my kids see none of it. I love my kids, but I don't trust them with other people's stuff. Heck, I don't trust them with my own stuff half the time.

[momma2j&g]

I have not finished reading this whole thread yet, but I did just finish up the last few pages on the DS coop (I did participate in this coop, so I knew of the issues previously). Anywho, I soooo badly want to say ":banghead: It's the same damn thing!" regarding Heather's "I didn't get paid" response! Free yarn IS payment!

I have nothing else to add to this though :)

[TNB]

but it was not free yarn...it was actual Paypal $$.
and yes it was above 250$


I hope someone is getting screenshots from over there so that if this does end up in court Morwenna has some proof that what is being said contradicts the email conversations in a MAJOR way. Seeing that they think it is real cool to bash and rip on a WAHM who does not even have access to the area they are doing it in.

That's right folks...she has no way to defend herself over there or tell her side. She has no access to the place this is going on at there.

[VinhThiMom]

Can she come here and post the emails? I don't think anyone here is siding with the hostess, but I'm just curious what they say.

[messy mama]

Can she not just opt in?

[Olivias momma]

Heather has listed MM yarn on FSOT. Interestingly enough it's the same colorways that were in the co-op

[Lolanae]

Heather has listed MM yarn on FSOT. Interestingly enough it's the same colorways that were in the co-op

Is it the same colorways that her couch ate?

[Olivias momma]

Is it the same colorways that her couch ate?

No I think she found those. I think they're cws that were in the previous DS mm co-op

[TNB]

but it was not free yarn...it was actual Paypal $$.
and yes it was above 250$


I hope someone is getting screenshots from over there so that if this does end up in court Morwenna has some proof that what is being said contradicts the email conversations in a MAJOR way. Seeing that they think it is real cool to bash and rip on a WAHM who does not even have access to the area they are doing it in.

That's right folks...she has no way to defend herself over there or tell her side. She has no access to the place this is going on at there.
mistyped here..meant to say "yes it was over 200$." My bad.

[aufrog]

Nikki - has she opted into the coop section?

[Messy]

Eh, I just looked through their TOS. They don't have anything about removing things from closed areas :huh: You would think that would be a no-brainer to add in.
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I do not see why it matters what they have in their TOS. Slander and libel are not bound by TOS of DS. You cannot do something illegal and claim that you are protected to do that illegal action due to the TOS of the web site you are doing it on. They know this. That is probably why they do not even bother to put it in their TOS.
I found it hilarious that mOmof3 put a warning about not talking about how bad the hostess messed up on public message boards. She can police her own board, but she cannot police the internet. DS mods are so full of themselves. They think they have super powers or something. They don't; and after seeing how many hostesses screwed the people in the co-ops, I think their hostesses are all sucky. <---Yep, I said it. They are always so busy doing CYA until it hits a crazy bad level and then (as seen in this case as well as others) they still try to cover/stick up/threaten for the hostess.
I am hoping this does not cost Marween business; but in seeing the number of people siding with the hostess, I am afraid it will. The hostess really paints all of this in a bad light for Warween. You have to read nearly every post to realize that the fault lies with the hostess.

[Lolanae]

Don't we have one of the DS mods that has an account here? Can someone poke her or something? I can not believe DS is protecting this hostess over a WAHM with such a long established wonderful rating.

[Messy]

H2BAM has an account here. I will keep my opinion of her to myself since it does not deal with this thread. Suffice to say, what could a DS mod do here to make DS not do what they are doing? They don't have pretend superpowers when they log out of DS ;)

[Lolanae]

H2BAM has an account here. I will keep my opinion of her to myself since it does not deal with this thread. Suffice to say, what could a DS mod do here to make DS not do what they are doing? They don't have pretend superpowers when they log out of DS ;)

I'm not saying that they could do anything to make DS change it's mind. I'm saying they could come here and explain DS side of this mess. Just like any other hot seat thread. Because I know I for one am damn curious how they are backing up this hostess and letting folks bash Morweena. I'm not saying it would change a damn thing about what's happening on DS.

[TNB]

Nikki - has she opted into the coop section?
Not that I am aware of. From what I understand she was asked if they had permission to post the emails...she said yes please do. Then all of a sudden the hostess refuses to. I do not think Morwenna has been told by the mods or admin there how she is allowed into that section (or if she even has an account to post there and would need one). Their communication with her has pretty much ceased other to tell her she is banned.


Pretty easy to understand why they refuse to post the emails...it totally proves heather is full of ~POOP~. Morwenna is hesitant to just post all of them on her own. She does not want to come across as petty or tacky by doing. She feels trapped a bit about what to do really.
(She did tell me to go ahead and post that snippet a couple pages ago regarding the blue trim because she did want to prove she was told to do them all the same colors.)

She really is just such a quiet and soft soul. I know that sounds silly or something but she truly is just not used to this kind of attack or strife. She is honest and tries very hard to always do the right thing by her customers so this has hit her really hard to have these jackels attacking her like this :(

[Gigi]

Not that I am aware of. From what I understand she was asked if they had permission to post the emails...she said yes please do. Then all of a sudden the hostess refuses to. I do not think Morwenna has been told by the mods or admin there how she is allowed into that section (or if she even has an account to post there and would need one). Their communication with her has pretty much ceased other to tell her she is banned.


Pretty easy to understand why they refuse to post the emails...it totally proves heather is full of ~POOP~. Morwenna is hesitant to just post all of them on her own. She does not want to come across as petty or tacky by doing. She feels trapped a bit about what to do really.
(She did tell me to go ahead and post that snippet a couple pages ago regarding the blue trim because she did want to prove she was told to do them all the same colors.)

She really is just such a quiet and soft soul. I know that sounds silly or something but she truly is just not used to this kind of attack or strife. She is honest and tries very hard to always do the right thing by her customers so this has hit her really hard to have these jackels attacking her like this :(


I don't knit, I don't buy yarn, and I was reading this quietly while eating lunch until I got to this part...they BANNED her??? For fucking real?

[*Elf*]

I don't knit, I don't buy yarn, and I was reading this quietly while eating lunch until I got to this part...they BANNED her??? For ~FARK~ing real?

Yes. Supposedly for her "behavior" in the emails. And for not taking the blame for the missing skeins of yarn. (Even when it wasn't her fault)

[jenniferjunniper]

I do not see why it matters what they have in their TOS. Slander and libel are not bound by TOS of DS. You cannot do something illegal and claim that you are protected to do that illegal action due to the TOS of the web site you are doing it on. They know this. That is probably why they do not even bother to put it in their TOS.
I found it hilarious that mOmof3 put a warning about not talking about how bad the hostess messed up on public message boards. She can police her own board, but she cannot police the internet. DS mods are so full of themselves. They think they have super powers or something. They don't; and after seeing how many hostesses screwed the people in the co-ops, I think their hostesses are all sucky. <---Yep, I said it. They are always so busy doing CYA until it hits a crazy bad level and then (as seen in this case as well as others) they still try to cover/stick up/threaten for the hostess.
I am hoping this does not cost Marween business; but in seeing the number of people siding with the hostess, I am afraid it will. The hostess really paints all of this in a bad light for Warween. You have to read nearly every post to realize that the fault lies with the hostess.


I am giggling at the bolded!!


I do not know why DS mods think they are the be all end all of the interwebz!! Ticks me off. I know that Morweena has such an outstanding reputation, that even a bunch of catty DS mamas cannot tarnish it. It is so sad that she is being painted in this light. I would love a DS mod on here to ask these questions to. It is so funny, you cannot bash or out scammers on DS, but bash a successful WAHM?? Sure!! Why not!! Douches!

[TNB]

yeah, they told her she was never allowed to do co-ops at DS again because she was "mean" to the hostess.
yeah..no.
She was professional and the hostess was a sniveling brat throughout. I would have lost my cool within about 6 emails of dealing with her and Morwenna never once did. You could tell she was getting exhausted with all the changes and screwups and missing yarn and nonsense but she still managed to maintain her professionalism and not just flip out on the hostess. even after being accused of shorting them the "ate by my couch" yarn.

[jenniferjunniper]

I would love to know who the co op hostess is. Are we allowed to out her here?? I figure fair is fair in love and war right?? I cannot believe DS banned her!! What is wrong with them. She was mean?? Are you serious?? Mean?? UGH!!

[Dolphin_medic]

:sigh: My heart breaks for Morwenna in this situation. I have had lots of transactions with her, directly and through coops, I think I've had 3-4 times where things happened and she fixed them immediately and quickly with no questions asked. I agree that she's one of the WAHMs that I will purchase from repeatedly without hesitation.

Payment in the form of store credit, yarn, PP $$ is still payment, why is that so hard?!? I would LOVE to know what they consider store credit to be if it's not "payment" :eyeroll: really people.

[Lolanae]

I would love to know who the co op hostess is. Are we allowed to out her here?? I figure fair is fair in love and war right?? I cannot believe DS banned her!! What is wrong with them. She was mean?? Are you serious?? Mean?? UGH!!

She's been named in here somewhere.

Maybe admin could add the co-op hosts name to the OP?

[Olivias momma]

Heather said Morwenna isn't banned from DS just that they're not running her co-ops there anymore.

[WCWAngela]

Adding...DS is messing with people's livelihoods here. That they take up for a co-op hostess who loses nothing but perhaps the chance to host another co-op and get compensated for it over a person's business reputation is supremely dumb.

That's exactly what I was coming to say, Kim. This hostess is sticking by her guns no matter what to save face. The worst thing that could happen to her is what, lose hostess status or something? Morwenna's entire family depends on her business. I'm sure they eat, sleep and breathe MM. I don't know how this hostess and her pals can even sleep at night playing with somebody's entire life like this. She needs to step up and do the right thing, admit she was wrong and mistakes were made and that Morwenna handled it 100% gracefully.

In reality I think enough people have the sense to realize what a ridiculous fiasco this is and that Morwenna did absolutely nothing wrong. In fact she went out of her way to fix mistakes that weren't even hers. Even if she does lose a few sales over it, they probably weren't sales she wanted in the first place if they're the type to jump in and attack/get on board with a witch hunt like this. In the long run I hope this just ratchets up the respect that Morwenna has *earned* in these communities and further highlights her business for the top notch lady she is.

And it's absolutely laughable that they would ban MM co-ops. As if she'd even do another to begin with. Ditto with a lot of other WAHMs that I know won't do them there anymore, either. Actually I think there will just be less opportunities for co-ops with WAHMs at all anymore, anywhere, after seeing how a small crowd can just drag down and try to ruin somebody who did absolutely nothing wrong. Myself included. If a few people can try to do so much damage to somebody with a stellar reputation as Morwenna, nobody is going to want to even chance something like this happening to them. Shame a few bad apples can ruin it for everyone.

I can't even imagine the turmoil this is causing Morwenna and her family. You do nothing, try to fix what somebody else caused yet get bad mouthed and dragged through the mud.

[*Elf*]

:sigh: My heart breaks for Morwenna in this situation. I have had lots of transactions with her, directly and through coops, I think I've had 3-4 times where things happened and she fixed them immediately and quickly with no questions asked. I agree that she's one of the WAHMs that I will purchase from repeatedly without hesitation.

Payment in the form of store credit, yarn, PP $$ is still payment, why is that so hard?!? I would LOVE to know what they consider store credit to be if it's not "payment" :eyeroll: really people.

Yes. I've had nothing but good experiences with her.

I once contacted her to purchase 12 skeins of yarn and 4 trim and I had it within two weeks. Very quick for a Rav. order.

[Olivias momma]

I really wish they would post the emails on DS. I was really starting to question Morwennas behavior according to what heather was saying but now I realize heather is a big old liar who was trying to CYA

[jenniferjunniper]

Thanks brandi!!!

[Olivias momma]

Oh and I've had nothing but excellent experiences with Morwenna. She even gave me some yarn from her own stash so I had enough to finish a sweater for DD. she wouldn't even accept ppayment <3

[Holly Golightly]

That's exactly what I was coming to say, Kim. This hostess is sticking by her guns no matter what to save face. The worst thing that could happen to her is what, lose hostess status or something? Morwenna's entire family depends on her business. I'm sure they eat, sleep and breathe MM. I don't know how this hostess and her pals can even sleep at night playing with somebody's entire life like this. She needs to step up and do the right thing, admit she was wrong and mistakes were made and that Morwenna handled it 100% gracefully.

In reality I think enough people have the sense to realize what a ridiculous fiasco this is and that Morwenna did absolutely nothing wrong. In fact she went out of her way to fix mistakes that weren't even hers. Even if she does lose a few sales over it, they probably weren't sales she wanted in the first place if they're the type to jump in and attack/get on board with a witch hunt like this. In the long run I hope this just ratchets up the respect that Morwenna has *earned* in these communities and further highlights her business for the top notch lady she is.

And it's absolutely laughable that they would ban MM co-ops. As if she'd even do another to begin with. Ditto with a lot of other WAHMs that I know won't do them there anymore, either. Actually I think there will just be less opportunities for co-ops with WAHMs at all anymore, anywhere, after seeing how a small crowd can just drag down and try to ruin somebody who did absolutely nothing wrong. Myself included. If a few people can try to do so much damage to somebody with a stellar reputation as Morwenna, nobody is going to want to even chance something like this happening to them. Shame a few bad apples can ruin it for everyone.

I can't even imagine the turmoil this is causing Morwenna and her family. You do nothing, try to fix what somebody else caused yet get bad mouthed and dragged through the mud.

Your post went into moderation because you'd slipped into lurker status - I set you free and approved your post. :)

[Messy]

I would love to know who the co op hostess is. Are we allowed to out her here?? I figure fair is fair in love and war right?? I cannot believe DS banned her!! What is wrong with them. She was mean?? Are you serious?? Mean?? UGH!!

I am bad at names :blush:
In other info though, I outed her early on in this thread...
The hostess WITHOUT the mostess is luvmykiddoes <---Her DS name. I have no idea if she is over here or not.

[mama2myangels09]

I am bad at names :blush:
In other info though, I outed her early on in this thread...
The hostess WITHOUT the mostess is luvmykiddoes <---Her DS name. I have no idea if she is over here or not.

http://clothdiapernation.com/vbforums/member.php?u=2919

Yep she's here but in lurker mode

[Messy]

And... H2BAM (~happy2bamommy~) Comes to the rescue and locks the thread while she "looks into things." Golly, what an awesome DS admin! Close it, ignore it, hide it; it will go away.
Ya know, it ticks me off that she comes over here and gets information that is helpful in their running of DS but you know they never reciprocate the situation. It is ridiculous.

[_melody_]

We're not going to be asking anybody from DS to come over here and defend themselves to us. It's their board and they can run it the way they want to run it. By the same token, if anyone from there DOES want to add something to this thread, they are welcome to do so, but I don't really expect that to happen. We're not trying to "prosecute" anyone here, we just felt that, because there are so many people who have been involved in this situation and so many who do business with Morwenna on a regular basis, it was in the best interests of the greater community that this thread be made public rather than hidden away in a restricted area.

Morwenna is very welcome to come here and share her side if she wants to as well. As has already been noted, this is her business on which her family depends. I'm sure that she is horrified at the turns this matter has taken, and she has clearly gone out of her way to try to make things right, even when she was not at fault.

Hopefully, getting all the facts out can improve things for everyone involved. We need to remember that we don't know what facts have been presented to DS Admin either. Let's try to make sure that we are being fair to ALL parties involved and also to remember that we are NOT directly involved in this. We are just observers. Ultimately, it is up to DS to decide how to handle this situation, and up to Morwenna to decide how to handle it from her end. All we can do is just let the truth speak for itself and let people decide for themselves what they believe about what has happened.
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And... H2BAM (~happy2bamommy~) Comes to the rescue and locks the thread while she "looks into things." Golly, what an awesome DS admin! Close it, ignore it, hide it; it will go away.
Ya know, it ticks me off that she comes over here and gets information that is helpful in their running of DS but you know they never reciprocate the situation. It is ridiculous.

Actually, they are always very helpful to us whenever we have asked for their help. This is not some sort of war between the 2 boards. This is an issue between their board and a well known WAHM. As I said in my last post, we don't know for sure how much their admin actually knows about this, because they would have been getting their info from the hostess and the mod, and I'm pretty sure it would not have been slanted in Morwenna's favor.

[Dana]

:banghead:
DS
nuff said

oh and I've never had nor heard anything but stories of excellence from Morwenna
obviously she was willing to put it all out there and show her side of the issue by saying that emails and such could be posted publicly
why would she do that if the accusations were true?

I can't stand to see this type of thing happen to a WAHM who has always had a stellar reputation as a business person

[Messy]

H2BAM to the rescue! She now reopens the thread. Gives a summation that makes Heather look like a peach (she said many good things about MM as well) and then deems nobody allowed to discuss this in public. Really??? She doesn't say that, "I will not tolerate Heather or Morwenna being picked apart in public forums by anyone." Really??? She can feel free to discipline me because I did/will and don't care. I might like her punishment :creepy:
No, in all seriousness, who tells the mods at DS that they are the internet police? Would the person giving them such info please stop. It makes them look super stupid.
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She DOES say... It is a direct quote :)
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Oh heck... Here is her post for those afraid of DS cooties:
Let me see if I can sum up what I just read really quick and someone let me know if I am way off here.

There was a huge MM co-op.

There was thought to be some missing yarn.

MM WHAM is contacted.

Members start getting yarn.

Heather finds missing yarn

There is said to be variations in some of the yarn.

MM wahm is contacted. She and Heather exchange words. Start trying to work things out.

Pictures do show variance in yarn. Items I see still look stunning. I can tell there is still disappointment though.

Hostess credit is brought up in what appears to be an effort to put a bad light on Heather (what the heck does the hostess credit have to do with any of this?!? Most WAHM's offer a small gift/credit)

The thread now appears to be turning into something it shouldn't.

Am I way off on any of this?

Most who have dealt with me know I am not ever out to cover anything up and I like to get to the bottom of issues.

I adore MM yarn and the WAHM behind it. I have for years. I think she is one of the most talented women out there and it was no surprise to me that my favorite woolies ever, for all three children, were done on her colorways. I have never had an issue with her,her work or her yarn.Ever. I've had a boatload of it go through my hands. Have there been variance in colorways a few times? Yes. I expect it though. I'm buying yarns made by someone in their own home, not something mass produced by machine which are often run by computers to control dye.

I know that Heather is a very honest person and has done many co-ops on here.

This was a massive co-op and if the only issues I am seeing are the ones being discussed in this thread, I actually think that is pretty amazing. I haven't gone all the way back to the beginning of the thread yet but have read quite a bit. From what I have seen in this thread, Heather has admitted to having made a mistake,apologized both here and to MM.

To further say anything about her or MM is insulting to both parties.

There also needs to be no discussion on the hostess credit. For those who didn't know that hostesses often get credits from the WAHMs involved in the co-op, I'm sorry. That has been discussed several times in public. I can see it is something some may have missed though. That doesn't mean anything unethical has been going on.

I don't know who all participated in this co-op but if you aren't personally involved, please refrain from posting your thoughts or comments to the thread.

If there are additional issues that need to be addressed then shoot me a pm.

I will not tolerate Heather or Morwenna being picked apart in public forums by anyone. Both are good women and deserve better.

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Watching the crazy hitting the fan in the Disana co-op now :popcorn:
Credit card issues, ordering problems, months of waiting, now people calling and pretending to work for the hostess and asking questions. Hmmm... I would totally be calling and asking. DS has a history of hostesses-gone-wild and DS covering their asses (or is it a couch covering their ass? I confuse easily.).

[OhMama]

Huh.
I am sure DS mods etc. are well aware of this thread, considering that last night a DS mod necroposted a thread on HC forums that was asking for help contacting a DS mod... they must have been trolling to see if people were talking and leapt on that thread, ever so helpfully, before realizing it was weeks old.

I am with Angela, it is disgusting that someone so casually and thoughtlessly (or a bunch of someones) messes with someone's business and reputation, especially to cover their own errors.

[TNB]

All I can say is this "heather" hostess person is NOT a good woman nor person. Nothing will make me see it any other way because I have seen the behind the scenes here. I wish it was out there for all but that is not my call to make.
She completely misrepresented the email exchanges. COMPLETELY.
She shifted blame and pointed fingers and threw Morwenna under the bus. She whined and threw immature little tantrums about being talked to like an adult.
It was "mean".
No it wasn't. It was quite nice when you see the bazillion prior screwups and changes and emails Morweena had to deal with first.
She got Morwenna banned form doing DS coops by her claims of this (which whatever..I would never go back there to save my damn life anyway if I were Morwenna).
She continued to bash on Morweena even after realizing her own damn mistakes.
She was a HORRIBLE yarn hostess who cannot match dye lots or trims or even send out the right freaking yarn to the right people.
And then blames the WAHM.

I am glad someone with authority over there is publicly saying such nice things about Morweena but that does not excuse Heather. And I could give 2 shits less about the commandment to not speak ill of her. I do not and would not ever go to that forum because of this type crap that is always happening to good WAHMS in that place.

So no...Heather is not a "good woman deserving of better" but damn straight Morweena is.

[Messy]

My only issue is how the WAHM was treated and talked about. I do not care, even a little bit, about how another board runs itself. It appears as though this matter will be swept under the carpet, so with that, I am out.
I just want everyone to know that the WAHM in no way deserved the treatment she got and that she would be treated nicely on other boards and in other co-ops. I hope that she continues to do co-ops and knows that people think only good things about her.
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Can someone linky me to the Rav group that she will now be doing her co-ops through? :prettyplease: I know others would like to know as well :)

[_melody_]

I in no way said that anything was going to be swept under the carpet here, Messy. I said that we should wait and see how the DS Admin respond, which they have now done. Like you, I hope that Morwenna will continue to do co-ops and I would love to see her do co-ops on THIS board. I know that our hostesses do a great job and I don't believe that she would ever have any problems like this one here. I had hoped that she would chime in on this thread, but I can understand that it is hard when you're in the middle of something so distressing. Morwenna is a member of CDN, and is always welcome here.

[Holly Golightly]

My only issue is how the WAHM was treated and talked about. I do not care, even a little bit, about how another board runs itself. It appears as though this matter will be swept under the carpet, so with that, I am out.
I just want everyone to know that the WAHM in no way deserved the treatment she got and that she would be treated nicely on other boards and in other co-ops. I hope that she continues to do co-ops and knows that people think only good things about her.
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Can someone linky me to the Rav group that she will now be doing her co-ops through? :prettyplease: I know others would like to know as well :)

I don't understand where you got that impression - or are you talking about DS?

[Messy]

Wait wait wait!!! I never meant "swept under the carpet" HERE. I should have been more clear, sorry. I was speaking about DS strictly (not other groups or boards or whatever that do co-ops either; only DS). I am just done with DS and feel like the disservice done to this WAHM is unbelievable. Shocking even.
I understand what CDN is doing :) I just hate what DS has done :sigh: I would LOVE for her to do a co-op here! That would be awesome!!! TNB can ask? Let her know our co-op hostesses rock!
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Sorry again. My bad. I was not being clear...

[dubhreubel]

I'm following, but don't have much to add to the conversation, but I did wonder about this part

All I can say is this "heather" hostess person is NOT a good woman nor person. Nothing will make me see it any other way because I have seen the behind the scenes here. I wish it was out there for all but that is not my call to make.
She completely misrepresented the email exchanges. COMPLETELY.
She shifted blame and pointed fingers and threw Morwenna under the bus. She whined and threw immature little tantrums about being talked to like an adult.
It was "mean".
No it wasn't. It was quite nice when you see the bazillion prior screwups and changes and emails Morweena had to deal with first.
She got Morwenna banned form doing DS coops by her claims of this (which whatever..I would never go back there to save my damn life anyway if I were Morwenna).
She continued to bash on Morweena even after realizing her own damn mistakes.
She was a HORRIBLE yarn hostess who cannot match dye lots or trims or even send out the right freaking yarn to the right people.
And then blames the WAHM.

I am glad someone with authority over there is publicly saying such nice things about Morweena but that does not excuse Heather. And I could give 2 ~POOP~s less about the commandment to not speak ill of her. I do not and would not ever go to that forum because of this type crap that is always happening to good WAHMS in that place.

So no...Heather is not a "good woman deserving of better" but damn straight Morweena is.

Is that the variance she's talking about? from different dye lots? Unless it's wildly different, it's hand dyed yarn...... And the hostesses job to match dye lots for individual orders....

[_melody_]

She has been on the board and has read this thread, I believe. Hopefully she will give doing some co-ops here some thought. :D

[Lucid-sunshine]

I hope she doesn't stop co-ops here I love her yarn she has been wonderful to work with in the yarn club I joined of hers and I look forward to getting more of here yarn.
I agree the consistency is amazing.

[Holly Golightly]

Wait wait wait!!! I never meant "swept under the carpet" HERE. I should have been more clear, sorry. I was speaking about DS strictly (not other groups or boards or whatever that do co-ops either; only DS). I am just done with DS and feel like the disservice done to this WAHM is unbelievable. Shocking even.
I understand what CDN is doing :) I just hate what DS has done :sigh: I would LOVE for her to do a co-op here! That would be awesome!!! TNB can ask? Let her know our co-op hostesses rock!
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Sorry again. My bad. I was not being clear...

Oh good - that's what I hoped you were saying. :D

Don't we have a Mosaic Moon co-op going on right now? :err:

[jaz]

H2BAM to the rescue! She now reopens the thread. Gives a summation that makes Heather look like a peach (she said many good things about MM as well) and then deems nobody allowed to discuss this in public. Really??? She doesn't say that, "I will not tolerate Heather or Morwenna being picked apart in public forums by anyone." Really??? She can feel free to discipline me because I did/will and don't care. I might like her punishment :creepy:
No, in all seriousness, who tells the mods at DS that they are the internet police? Would the person giving them such info please stop. It makes them look super stupid.
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She DOES say... It is a direct quote :)
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Oh heck... Here is her post for those afraid of DS cooties:

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Watching the crazy hitting the fan in the Disana co-op now :popcorn:
Credit card issues, ordering problems, months of waiting, now people calling and pretending to work for the hostess and asking questions. Hmmm... I would totally be calling and asking. DS has a history of hostesses-gone-wild and DS covering their asses (or is it a couch covering their ass? I confuse easily.).

For one, the Disana coop is being hosted by Shortcake2386. If I remember correctly, there have been all sorts of issues and unethical behavior by her that were swept under the carpet and ignored by DS.

[yeswehave8]

We do! :)
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to this, I mean!
Oh good - that's what I hoped you were saying. :D

Don't we have a Mosaic Moon co-op going on right now? :err:

[DaynaR]

I'm following, but don't have much to add to the conversation, but I did wonder about this part



Is that the variance she's talking about? from different dye lots? Unless it's wildly different, it's hand dyed yarn...... And the hostesses job to match dye lots for individual orders....

I'm pretty sure it's from different dyelots but it's not clear.

One person did have longies knit with one skein of yarn that had a portion of yarn (one whole leg) darker than the rest. It was pretty noticeable.

I have 2 skeins of Andy's room here from the same dye day(none say lot numbers) and they are wildly different. If I wasn't familiar with yarn I could see people getting really annoyed with it and being mad. I just see it as 2 skeins from different dyelots that weren't matched enough.

[_melody_]

Oh good - that's what I hoped you were saying. :D

Don't we have a Mosaic Moon co-op going on right now? :err:

Yes, we do, and hopefully we'll have many more. I know a lot of people who have issues on one forum decide that they're just done with boards altogether, and I hope that won't happen here. Every board is different and every board has something that some people don't care for, but certainly hope that you all know that we try our best to keep things above board here and to deal with issues as quickly and fairly as we can.

[cheerrabbit]

Can someone linky me to the Rav group that she will now be doing her co-ops through? :prettyplease: I know others would like to know as well :)
Rep'd you the link, but you can also search on Ravelry groups for Mosaic Moon Yarn Lovers. :)

[DaynaR]

Rep'd you the link, but you can also search on Ravelry groups for Mosaic Moon Yarn Lovers. :)

Yep! Just the general MM yarn group.

There's one starting right now (mostly girly) and one starting on HC witht he same host. Colorways are still in voting for the HC one. Lots of pretty customs going on there!

[Messy]

Thank you!!! I am very unfamiliar with all things ravelry and HC :err: I like to go browse them both though...
And I had been avoiding the co-ops due to being viciously broke. So, I hope she chooses to do another in the near future here!
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For one, the Disana coop is being hosted by Shortcake2386. If I remember correctly, there have been all sorts of issues and unethical behavior by her that were swept under the carpet and ignored by DS.

:shakehead: That is ridiculous. I was sure she was the one I was remembering from other unethical sets of circumstances :sigh: They are playing with peoples' money! I am just mortified at these "hostesses". Seriously, can you even call them that?

[Lolanae]

Shortcake2386....didn't she have drama over here?

[jaz]

She's the one who bought some dipes or something. The seller didn't get DC. Shortcake said she didn't get them, kicked a fuss, paypal sided with her because there wasn't delivery confirmation and refunded her money. 6 months later, Shortcake was selling those same dipes. They were custom or something, not like dime a dozen red fuzzibunz. It was on DoDS. I'm sure they had examples of her doing other similarly unethical crap, though.

[BackLitLeo]

Was she the one that was a WAHM that charged extra to use anything other than white thread?

[messy mama]

Was she the one that was a WAHM that charged extra to use anything other than white thread?

Yes! Remember the green OBV boxers with bright white, crookedly sewn,thread? There were other issues with her sewing too, IIRC. But she said that she only buys white thread when it's on sale, so if you want another color, she has to go purchase it and she charges you for it.

[TNB]

Yes! Remember the green OBV boxers with bright white, crookedly sewn,thread? There were other issues with her sewing too, IIRC. But she said that she only buys white thread when it's on sale, so if you want another color, she has to go purchase it and she charges you for it.

I don't even know what to say about that.
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I meant to add this smiley :speechless:

[TNB]

I'm following, but don't have much to add to the conversation, but I did wonder about this part



Is that the variance she's talking about? from different dye lots? Unless it's wildly different, it's hand dyed yarn...... And the hostesses job to match dye lots for individual orders....


I am not a yarn person so I think I messed up my terms. I meant like the correct yarn colorways...she sent out some she thought was one colorway which was similar to another colorway but not it. So they were wrong to what the people actually had ordered.

Am I making any sense :err:

The variance on the one longies(again I am not a yarn person and I gave up knitting a long time ago) that were being freaked out about.....from what I understand and reading what some very experienced had to say about them.."the knitter should have Alternated, even within the skein."

I have no idea what that means really,lol.

[Zee]

nikki [or morwenna, if you're reading along], can you let morwenna know she can coop here without the stress and absurdly that DS has over there? our hostesses are teh awesome! she can do it here more often now that she's banned [:eyeroll:] from there,no? :teehee:

[DaynaR]

I am not a yarn person so I think I messed up my terms. I meant like the correct yarn colorways...she sent out some she thought was one colorway which was similar to another colorway but not it. So they were wrong to what the people actually had ordered.

Am I making any sense :err:

The variance on the one longies(again I am not a yarn person and I gave up knitting a long time ago) that were being freaked out about.....from what I understand and reading what some very experienced had to say about them.."the knitter should have Alternated, even within the skein."

I have no idea what that means really,lol.

I think some people said that's what they have done before? As far as I know, it's not normal to have to do that (and I've never ever had to do that/heard of someone doing it). i would consider it a flaw though, because you could find out about that issue when knitting the second leg and have to start the whole project over again. Yes there is variation to be expected, but I was guessing the different leg was from another skein and was kind of shocked it was the same skein.

I think it's part of the 'hand dyed yarns are beautiful because they're unique' type rule though.

[Jenga]

so heather has an awesome track record of being honest and a good person. Only on DS would a scammer be defended as a good person.

[DaynaR]

nikki [or morwenna, if you're reading along], can you let morwenna know she can coop here without the stress and absurdly that DS has over there? our hostesses are teh awesome! she can do it here more often now that she's banned [:eyeroll:] from there,no? :teehee:

I think she actually changed all the booked DS co-ops to rav and HC co-ops.

Plus, I don't think we have enough yarnie people here to have lots of MM co-ops. I would love it though, our hosts are great! :)

[*Elf*]

I am not a yarn person so I think I messed up my terms. I meant like the correct yarn colorways...she sent out some she thought was one colorway which was similar to another colorway but not it. So they were wrong to what the people actually had ordered.

Am I making any sense :err:

The variance on the one longies(again I am not a yarn person and I gave up knitting a long time ago) that were being freaked out about.....from what I understand and reading what some very experienced had to say about them.."the knitter should have Alternated, even within the skein."

I have no idea what that means really,lol.

Not the wrong colorway, the wrong base of yarn. She sent out Cestari instead of MMRW in one case and MMRW instead of Cestari in another case or something like that.

The bases ARE extremely similar. That's why you read the labels and double check them.

And I personally would have messaged Morwenna about that skein that knit up as two different shades and not brought it to the thread.

[_melody_]

I think she actually changed all the booked DS co-ops to rav and HC co-ops.

Plus, I don't think we have enough yarnie people here to have lots of MM co-ops. I would love it though, our hosts are great! :)

That may be a chicken/egg kind of thing. If you build it, they will come, you know? :giggle:

[jenniferjunniper]

I think some people said that's what they have done before? As far as I know, it's not normal to have to do that (and I've never ever had to do that/heard of someone doing it). i would consider it a flaw though, because you could find out about that issue when knitting the second leg and have to start the whole project over again. Yes there is variation to be expected, but I was guessing the different leg was from another skein and was kind of shocked it was the same skein.

I think it's part of the 'hand dyed yarns are beautiful because they're unique' type rule though.

Experienced knitters will always knit from alternating skeins.

[yeswehave8]

Experienced knitters will always knit from alternating skeins.
:yeahthat:

[Lolanae]

So the co-op host:

- Failed to wait until she knew the order was final
- Failed to verify trim colors with co op folks
- Lost yarn in her couch...Blamed Morweena
- Mailed atleast one toy to a person :twitch:
- Failed to properly package the fiber
- Would not post the emails between Morweena and herself after Morweena okay'd them
- Did not double check the labels for the base types before sending out the orders

Did I miss anything?

[Julie K]

I think some people said that's what they have done before? As far as I know, it's not normal to have to do that (and I've never ever had to do that/heard of someone doing it). i would consider it a flaw though, because you could find out about that issue when knitting the second leg and have to start the whole project over again. Yes there is variation to be expected, but I was guessing the different leg was from another skein and was kind of shocked it was the same skein.

I think it's part of the 'hand dyed yarns are beautiful because they're unique' type rule though.

nope, definitely not a flaw. Its part of the beauty of hand dyed yarn. Machines are able to get things perfectly. Humans are not. Although Morwenna is pretty much as close you can get to a yarn dyeing machine and you can get lol!

Experienced knitters will always knit from alternating skeins.

yes, this.

The longies that were pictured in DS...yes I could see a difference. No I still don't think its a flaw. Its not something that bothers me with hand dyed yarns. I expect it.

[OhMama]

For one, the Disana coop is being hosted by Shortcake2386. If I remember correctly, there have been all sorts of issues and unethical behavior by her that were swept under the carpet and ignored by DS.

She pulled a mail scam on me once, too.
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So the co-op host:

- Failed to wait until she knew the order was final
- Failed to verify trim colors with co op folks
- Lost yarn in her couch...Blamed Morweena
- Mailed atleast one toy to a person :twitch:
- Failed to properly package the fiber
- Would not post the emails between Morweena and herself after Morweena okay'd them
- Did not double check the labels for the base types before sending out the orders

Did I miss anything?

Received compensation and denied it.

[Zee]

ok. i've giggled every time i read it. but is it true?? the couch ate the yarn???? that's what she said??

[dubhreubel]

ok. i've giggled every time i read it. but is it true?? the couch ate the yarn???? that's what she said??

My couch just eats baby socks, not nearly as dramariffic.

[DaynaR]

Experienced knitters will always knit from alternating skeins.

Yes I know people alternate 2 skeins, but this was ONE skein. The variation was on the SAME skein. It wasn't 2 different ones.

[jenniferjunniper]

My couch eats knitting needles, crochet hooks, and stitch markers, oh and candy wrappers, remote controls, pens, small toys and animals. I would love one time to move my couch and find regurgitated yarn!!! LOL!! Not so lucky here.

[Lolanae]

Did the person with the one fub'd up skien even talk to Morweena? Or just complain on DS?

[Zee]

My couch just eats baby socks, not nearly as dramariffic.

My couch eats knitting needles, crochet hooks, and stitch markers, oh and candy wrappers, remote controls, pens, small toys and animals. I would love one time to move my couch and find regurgitated yarn!!! LOL!! Not so lucky here.
:giggle: i'm aaaaalways afraid to move cushions here. its right down skeerrrrry what you find! :beafraid:

[DaynaR]

nope, definitely not a flaw. Its part of the beauty of hand dyed yarn. Machines are able to get things perfectly. Humans are not. Although Morwenna is pretty much as close you can get to a yarn dyeing machine and you can get lol!



yes, this.

The longies that were pictured in DS...yes I could see a difference. No I still don't think its a flaw. Its not something that bothers me with hand dyed yarns. I expect it.

Oh no, I'm not trying to defend the whole thing. I guess I didn't mean a flaw per se, as i would be COMPLETELY annoyed if one entire leg was different and I had to reknit both legs even though it was the same skein. Wouldn't most people?

And I def. was complaining about the yarn in general! Morwenna is one of the most consistant dyers of colorways. I Lurve her yarn and she is my favorite yarn dyer because you always know almost exactly what you're getting by pics on her website and she has GREAT customer service :wub:. Almost everything looks the same between bases and everything. I wasn't bashing her skills.

[Lolanae]

:giggle: i'm aaaaalways afraid to move cushions here. its right down skeerrrrry what you find! :beafraid:

So this. And usually with the vacuum handy to suck up any spiders. :panic:

[DaynaR]

Did the person with the one fub'd up skien even talk to Morweena? Or just complain on DS?

I don't think it said her action. Just the complaints were voiced. I'm sure Morwenna would have done something if she knew the issue? but it doesn't say.

[Zee]

spiders?!!! :ohno: can't say i've found that here! but toys and food and socks and pens and coins fo sho. no yarn though. :miffed:

[Lolanae]

More of a prior planning to prevent an irrational fear. :lol:

[Zee]

good planning. :giggle:

[TNB]

spiders?!!! :ohno: can't say i've found that here! but toys and food and socks and pens and coins fo sho. no yarn though. :miffed:


I read the first time through as penis :toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

I though WTF? Who finds a penis in their couch?

:rofl:
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So the co-op host:

- Failed to wait until she knew the order was final
- Failed to verify trim colors with co op folks
- Lost yarn in her couch...Blamed Morweena
- Mailed atleast one toy to a person :twitch:
- Failed to properly package the fiber
- Would not post the emails between Morweena and herself after Morweena okay'd them
- Did not double check the labels for the base types before sending out the orders

Did I miss anything?

Told Morweena base trim colors without verifying what people wanted, then when it was complained about said "That is everything that was in the box" instead of fessing up that she is the one who told morweena the wrong information.

Said Morweena was too "mean to her" for bascially just refusing to figure out mistakes that were not hers.......and got her banned for it :twitch:

[k8secondo]

Yes I know people alternate 2 skeins, but this was ONE skein. The variation was on the SAME skein. It wasn't 2 different ones.

That is what was claimed, but they were longies for a one year old. Can that size even be made with just one skien of yarn? Maybe my kids are just huge, but they were never able to get full length longies out of just one skien past 6 mos or so. :shrug:

[Rocket Queen]

I think some people said that's what they have done before? As far as I know, it's not normal to have to do that (and I've never ever had to do that/heard of someone doing it). i would consider it a flaw though, because you could find out about that issue when knitting the second leg and have to start the whole project over again. Yes there is variation to be expected, but I was guessing the different leg was from another skein and was kind of shocked it was the same skein.

I think it's part of the 'hand dyed yarns are beautiful because they're unique' type rule though.

I've done it many a time to prevent pooling.
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And Ellibelly yarn often varied so much from section to section I have had to alternate from both ends of TWO skeins.

[DaynaR]

I've done it many a time to prevent pooling.
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And Ellibelly yarn often varied so much from section to section I have had to alternate from both ends of TWO skeins.

OMG, that would be a nightmare! I would just give up I think, LOL. Takes the joy out of knitting.

[Layna]

This is what, the eighty billionth -or somewhere close to there- coop on DS that's been messed up in the past few month?
Yeah, I'm going to trust them that this was a VERY trusted and reputable WHAM's fault and not one of their precious Coop host.

That is what was claimed, but they were longies for a one year old. Can that size even be made with just one skien of yarn? Maybe my kids are just huge, but they were never able to get full length longies out of just one skien past 6 mos or so. :shrug:
I just knit my 10 month old longies and it took just over 1 skein.. and she's on the small side.

[Rocket Queen]

I sorta like it. Makes it like a puzzle. But I also like detangling hopeless yarn.
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[Dolphin_medic]

I read the first time through as penis :toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

I though WTF? Who finds a penis in their couch?

:rofl:

Well ya know, there's a freebie "book" for nook that will tell all about that...well in a bed at least :err: :hide:

[k8secondo]

I just knit my 10 month old longies and it took just over 1 skein.. and she's on the small side.

That's what I was thinking. Unless this kid is tiny, one year old longies out of one skien of yarn sounds kind of unlikely. My guess is that it was two skeins that got knit together and not alternated. But that's just my own speculation ...

[Dolphin_medic]

That's what I was thinking. Unless this kid is tiny, one year old longies out of one skien of yarn sounds kind of unlikely. My guess is that it was two skeins that got knit together and not alternated. But that's just my own speculation ...

That's what I wondered as well.

I've had MM yarn that varied enough that you could clearly tell that they were different dye lots...but the variations were not absurd at all. I agree that Morwenna is as close to a dying machine as any human can get. Even when there are variations between dye lots you can tell what the colorway is and the colorway is still there...maybe darker, maybe lighter, maybe slightly different hues, but not totally different colorways like we have seen elsewhere.

If anyone has come close to perfecting the science of the art of hand dyed yarn it's her.

[Olivias momma]

I highly doubt it was only 1 skein because she was throwing a temper tantrum that her 2nd skein of yarn was MIA and she needed it for longies for her kids bday

[k8secondo]

So let me get this straight....her second skien was MIA, she found another skien somewhere else, got it knitted, it didn't match and she is trying to blame Morwenna's dyeing skills for it by claiming it was variation in one skien?? :speechless: What the heck is wrong with these people???
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I highly doubt it was only 1 skein because she was throwing a temper tantrum that her 2nd skein of yarn was MIA and she needed it for longies for her kids bday

Were both skeins the same colorway??

[Olivias momma]

If I remember right she ordered 2 skeins. 1 was shipped to her on cestari and 1 on mmw. So she was searching all over for her 2 nd skein and it ended up that it was sent to someone else. Or something like that. But she's bitching that her longies what were knit with one skein aren't right. I'll c and p tomorrow when I'm not so tired lol but that's the just of it

[DaynaR]

I highly doubt it was only 1 skein because she was throwing a temper tantrum that her 2nd skein of yarn was MIA and she needed it for longies for her kids bday

Hmm, I thought that was a differnet person.

If it was 2 skeins, that makes much more sense. And her all the more crazy.

[RowBabyRow]

I have tons of MM yarn and I have never had an issue with color variance. Not saying that it never happens but I find Morwenna's work close to impeccable.

[Olivias momma]

And now the mods r trying to play the blame game on a member who has nothing to do with it. I'm sooo Donne with DS.
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Stupid iPod. Done with DS is wht I meant lol

[oak_leaf]

I hate that the hostess is editing peoples' posts.

[TNB]

So let me get this straight....her second skien was MIA, she found another skien somewhere else, got it knitted, it didn't match and she is trying to blame Morwenna's dyeing skills for it by claiming it was variation in one skien?? :speechless: What the heck is wrong with these people???
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Were both skeins the same colorway??

unreal. :(


I saw the pic of the longies and yeah I could see one side as lighter than the other by a touch but I really and honestly still thought they were pretty. They certainly were not the bane of all existence .

I also very much doubted a pair of 1yr old longies could come from only one skein....and I am not even an avid knitter or that knowledgeably about this stuff. Even when I did knit, it was not longies and yet that smelled of "HUH?" to me.

Hmm, I thought that was a differnet person.

If it was 2 skeins, that makes much more sense. And her all the more crazy. I am pretty sure it is the same person. The person flipping out over the longies said they were for her kids b-day too.

She sent one of the most hateful ugly emails I have ever read to a WAHM to M. It was jawdropping terrible. And even after that Morwenna gave a free month of her yarn club to make up for her upset...although reality it would appear...once again....none of this was Morweena or her yarns fault.
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And now the mods r trying to play the blame game on a member who has nothing to do with it. I'm sooo Donne with DS.
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Stupid iPod. Done with DS is wht I meant lol

Who are they going after now??


yeah, leave DS in the dust. you are more than welcome here. :loveshower:

We have better :chocolate: and :jenga: anyway :D

I hate that the hostess is editing peoples' posts.
For realz? WOW.

[DaynaR]

unreal. :(


I saw the pic of the longies and yeah I could see one side as lighter than the other by a touch but I really and honestly still thought they were pretty. They certainly were not the bane of all existence .

I also very much doubted a pair of 1yr old longies could come from only one skein....and I am not even an avid knitter or that knowledgeably about this stuff. Even when I did knit, it was not longies and yet that smelled of "HUH?" to me.

I am pretty sure it is the same person. The person flipping out over the longies said they were for her kids b-day too.

She sent one of the most hateful ugly emails I have ever read to a WAHM to M. It was jawdropping terrible. And even after that Morwenna gave a free month of her yarn club to make up for her upset...although reality it would appear...once again....none of this was Morweena or her yarns fault.
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Who are they going after now??


yeah, leave DS in the dust. you are more than welcome here. :loveshower:

We have better :chocolate: and :jenga: anyway :D


For realz? WOW.

Well, nvm then! That makes much more sense on why it was so different. I didn't know they were for a one year old either. :)

Poor Morwenna. They're just putting her through hell. She's so sweet and works hard to make and keep everyone happy. These jerks are eating her up.

[Holly Golightly]

The more info I'm seeing, the more my heart is hurting for Morwenna. :( I dearly hope this doesn't damage her business.

[Olivias momma]

unreal. :(


I saw the pic of the longies and yeah I could see one side as lighter than the other by a touch but I really and honestly still thought they were pretty. They certainly were not the bane of all existence .

I also very much doubted a pair of 1yr old longies could come from only one skein....and I am not even an avid knitter or that knowledgeably about this stuff. Even when I did knit, it was not longies and yet that smelled of "HUH?" to me.

I am pretty sure it is the same person. The person flipping out over the longies said they were for her kids b-day too.

She sent one of the most hateful ugly emails I have ever read to a WAHM to M. It was jawdropping terrible. And even after that Morwenna gave a free month of her yarn club to make up for her upset...although reality it would appear...once again....none of this was Morweena or her yarns fault.
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Who are they going after now??


yeah, leave DS in the dust. you are more than welcome here. :loveshower:

We have better :chocolate: and :jenga: anyway :D


For realz? WOW.
yay! Thanks!
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theres the longies in question

[Olivias momma]

I HAVE THE CESTARI BIRTHDAY BOY!!!!

my trim is brown mmw but my colorway is cestari, which of course has since been sent to my knitter. what a mess http://img.diaperswappers.com/images/smilie/banghead.gif i will have to mesage her, im sure she hasnt started those longies (Even though i REALLY wanted them for my LO birthday on the 18th of January!) what do we do now? I will send my knitter a message now http://img.diaperswappers.com/images/smilie/cry5.gif

is it possible that it was mismarked? i dont recall it feeling different? I did ask my knitter to compare. I hadnt even paid attention to the yarn, it looked pretty i snipped tags (so when i sell my longies i know exactly what base they are on) and figured since I got my yarn, clearly i didnt need to recheck the thread... :sigh: and by chance i did because i couldnt imagine issues could still be going on with this co-op
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thats a quote...

[Lolanae]

So she didn't read and double check to make sure she got what she ordered and that's Morweena's fault?!

[Olivias momma]

heres a quote from HEather on the thread:

On to the mess:
I have searched my house high and low and we found the yarn!! I have a skein of bday boy on MMRW and a skein of hummingbird on MMRW. It was in the hide-a-bed of our sofa. Like where it goes into the sofa part on the floor. I hadn't thought about pulling it out in my previous search for yarn. The kids had a sleep over on it when my Mom came for a visit and I guess it got under there. I'm so glad it's been found. I don't know what to do about the bday boy, however. It does look like MMRW and everyone that got bday boy says that they got the right yarn. I have asked Morwena what to do about it. All I can do is apologize over and over and say how completely embarrassed I am that this has happened!!! I'm so, so sorry!!! Who has the hummingbird now and is out money and needs the yarn? Is it the original purchaser? 808mom, I have asked Morwena what to do about the bday boy on MMR and I'll get back with you on that. I feel really bad because I thought Morwena was being quite mean

[Katiebear]

I'm not crazy about the longies posted, but once they're on a kid, you'd hardly notice.

[oak_leaf]

Here are what she posted in an ISO.
(16" rise, 10-11"inseam)
She also stated she had 200 yards of MMRW
She was accidentally sent cestari, which belonged to another mom. 1 skein of that colorway on MMRW was later found in the couch. Her knitter was delayed and now doesn't have time to reknit before the 18th.

[k8secondo]

So she didn't read and double check to make sure she got what she ordered and that's Morweena's fault?!

No, the longies owner was missing a skien, which was one of the MIA skiens that the couch ate. The coop host apparently didn't read the labels when shipping out orders and blamed Morwenna when she came up short. I think. It's all so confusing.
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Here are what she posted in an ISO.
(16" rise, 10-11"inseam)
She also stated she had 200 yards of MMRW
She was accidentally sent cestari, which belonged to another mom. 1 skein of that colorway on MMRW was later found in the couch. Her knitter was delayed and now doesn't have time to reknit before the 18th.

I'm no expert, but with that inseam is it even possible to make that with only 200 yards?

[Lolanae]

Oh my word, she needs to learn to be professional in her posts! "I thought Morweena was being rather mean"?? :eyeroll:

[Rocket Queen]

No, the longies owner was missing a skien, which was one of the MIA skiens that the couch ate. The coop host apparently didn't read the labels when shipping out orders and blamed Morwenna when she came up short. I think. It's all so confusing.
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I'm no expert, but with that inseam is it even possible to make that with only 200 yards?

Nope. At least not in my experience.

[TNB]

Oh my word, she needs to learn to be professional in her posts! "I thought Morweena was being rather mean"?? :eyeroll:
Ridiculous isn't it.

And all Morweena had said to her was that she KNEW she had sent the right amount of yarn because of the careful packing process she utilizes. Then explained her process so that Heather could understand there was just next to no chance this was a mistake on M's side.
Basically put what she KNEW was not her mistake on back on Heather....which heather did not like.

So that was mean. :looky:

[tea_cozy]

Holy Moly

[Danni]

I do hope Morweena makes her way here sometime. I am sure she has lots of support on places like HC or Rav, but I think she may very well find a great selling nitch here too. Our coop hosts rock!!

[Jenga]

I'm more likely to buy from Morwenna now. Just FYI, Morwenna! :hugs:

[Alexandzoesmom]

OK, I have to ask. Is it "Morweena" or "Morwenna"? I'm seeing both and this inquiring mind needs to know for sure!

And frankly, I don't knit or crochet - and all this is simply making me want to go buy yarn from her so she knows people will still buy.

[jsnichols1]

OK, I have to ask. Is it "Morweena" or "Morwenna"? I'm seeing both and this inquiring mind needs to know for sure!

And frankly, I don't knit or crochet - and all this is simply making me want to go buy yarn from her so she knows people will still buy.

Morwenna. :-)

[Messy]

And now after Heather improperly packaged the fiber to mail it out, H2BAM is finding a way to lay that on Morwenna :( Heather sent it out stuffed tightly in boxes or polymailers. Some of the fiber got stuck to the glue on the mailers as well.
So, H2BAM asks Heather if the yarn came with special mailing instructions. WTF? Common freaking sense??? I sell my textbooks every semester. I am super careful to make sure the adhesive from the packaging does not stick to the book; nobody told me to be careful about that... Gosh, I am just sooooper smart, righ??? :err:
Just when I think I cannot get more disgusted with DS, they do something even more stupid :shakehead:
It makes me more and more thankful for CDN :loveshower:
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Oh, and apparently Heather needed someone to tell her that mailing yarn/fiber in a box with no water protection was a bad idea. Really??? Yeah, mail hundreds of dollars of yarn out in a box where the adhesive is stuck to the fibers. Rocket science? :hahano:

[Jenga]

Can you ask H2BAM how I use the TP? It didn't come with instructions. Can she just come do it for me?

[Danni]

OK, I have to ask. Is it "Morweena" or "Morwenna"? I'm seeing both and this inquiring mind needs to know for sure!

And frankly, I don't knit or crochet - and all this is simply making me want to go buy yarn from her so she knows people will still buy.

Glad you asked. I typed it wrong above. Sorry Morwenna!!

[aufrog]

Mailing instructions ... :groan: seriously? I am at a loss of words.
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When are they ever going to hold their hostesses accountable for anything??? There mismanagement is just out of hand. And what gets me is that people continue to do coops with them knowing this crap goes on.

[KRusso]

Ridiculous isn't it.

And all Morweena had said to her was that she KNEW she had sent the right amount of yarn because of the careful packing process she utilizes. Then explained her process so that Heather could understand there was just next to no chance this was a mistake on M's side.
Basically put what she KNEW was not her mistake on back on Heather....which heather did not like.

So that was mean. :looky:

And don't forget the part where she insists that there is still missing yarn from two colorways and Morwenna took a look at the forum and "found" them from people posting what they received and were selling FSOT.

So. Has it been determined that the birthday longies have in fact been knit from two skeins vs. one as she stated in her email to Morwenna? She was so rude and demeaning, and possibly a liar in addition?

[jenniferjunniper]

Laurel, wad up H2BAM, and wipe the crap off front to back........................doh, I meant TP, sorry. Oops, my bad.