Dava / Crochetfrog Can I have a moment please

[Mom]

there are some issues we need to address.

I received a pm today about a trade you're working on with a member here. Basically this is the issue.

You and a member were doing a trade- the member was knitting a doll (YYMN) for you in exchange for one of your KIP bags and some headbands for her DD. Her part of the trade (the doll (your yarn, my filler) and your left over yarn) was delivered to you on July 8th (yes, July and you confirmed that you received it) but you STILL have not sent the members stuff, though you have told the member more than once 'its going out today/tomorrow'-the last time being 'going out today' and that was on Sept 9th. The member still doesn't have anything and so she asked on Sept 16th for the DC# and even though you have been on (and posted in WAHM show your stuff last night) you still have not responded to the member.

I hate doing this so soon after the death of your grandmother and we are not being heartless, but this member has noticed that you have finished other trades and deals since you started this trade with her.

This is also not thre first member to complain about your shipping times. And your lack of contact.

Can you please let us know, where the members end of this trade is? I think that it may be time for you to take a break from any kind of FSOT on this board.

From another member, and yes it's mainly what she wrote in a pm to me, minus the identifying info. She has given me permission.

I requested her to make me a pair of medium crochet sock monkey longies. These were going to be $45.00. I paid her the $45.00 on August 21st. According to the tracking they still have not been shipped: The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper on August 25, 2009 to expect your package for mailing. This does not indicate receipt by the USPS or the actual mailing date. Delivery status information will be provided if / when available. No further information is available for this item.

I PM'ed Dava in regards to these longies on 9/8/09, ADMIN EDIT, RESPONSE WAS I'll get the package dropped off tomorrow. I added a couple of things in there for you because of the delay. I've been so scatterbrained and depressed. I know you're mad...and I'm really sorry.

Since then there has been no contact and the post office has not updated the package.



I got some longies from her before, shipping took a LOT longer than I expected, CHILDS NAME couldn't even wear them as long as I'd hoped because it got warm out since shipping took weeks longer then she'd promised.


I ordered headbands from her and after payment all communication stopped until they finally arrived after over 3 weeks of waiting.

Please see post #16 for JDT's problem.

I'm also in a trade with Dava and after about 2 months, have yet to receive my end. I made her about $35 worth of pads and in exchange she is supposed to knit me a pair of longies for the baby. I didn't want to bug her, given her grandmas health and then subsequent death, so I haven't really said anything to her. But its been probably at least 2 months. She mentioned in a thread the other day, that my longies were almost done but I haven't really heard anything.

I've bought from her before, a few times, and yes, her shipping is very slow. I figured that going into this so I took my time with her custom pads... but those were shipped months ago.


On May 18th Dava asked for a trade for some graphics design (a header for her shop and an animated banner). We worked out the details and she said she'd make some Monkey Shorties and a Bitty Baby in exchange for them. I finished up four sample headers the next day. she later requested a few changes and I finished those on May 26th. she asked for a couple more changes and I finished those on May 28th.

I also won a FFS lottery from her shop on July 16th for some crocheted earrings. I told her that she could ship them with my other items to save on postage.

After a bit of a wait I finally received a picture of the monkey shorties on August 14th. I told her they looked great and sent her my address for the shorties, bitty baby, and crocheted earrings.

I asked her for information regarding her animated banner and she gave me some but not enough to do her banner. I have the pictures cropped and ready to go for it, but she hasn't let me know what text to put on it yet.

She said she'd try to get the package in the mail on August 1st. I still haven't received anything and she has stopped communicating with me through private messages. :(

[_melody_]

Thanks, Sam. :(

[Lacey]

Thank you Sam for keeping us safe. I hope she makes it right.

[Picklesnapper]

Sigh...

:pray: this gets done smoothly.

[frainfam]

I'm hoping she's just delayed with al the stuff surrounding the passing of her Grandma.

[Mom]

I'm hoping she's just delayed with al the stuff surrounding the passing of her Grandma.

I have complaints going back to March. This has nothing to do with that.

[Carly]

Sad :(

[frainfam]

I have complaints going back to March. This has nothing to do with that.

Oh, no :( Her feedback sure doesn't reflect any of that. I'm in a trade with her right now, too.

[pinkflamingos77]

Oh noez! :(

I did my first transaction with her on this board and everything went smooth. I hope this all gets worked out easily.

[Mom]

Oh, no :( Her feedback sure doesn't reflect any of that. I'm in a trade with her right now, too.

No it doesnt'. Because eventually they get what they ordered etc.

[CountryBarbie225]

Thanks Sam..I just PM'ed you also.

[JDT]

I rep'd you my info on this same WAHM.

[Mom]

those of you repping me and pm'ing me, can I add your information to this thread?

I will do so without names.

This all needs to come to light, and now.

[bearista]

Damn. The abundance of activity in the Hot Seat lately makes me sad. :(

[Mom]

I will be adding to the original thread as more stuff comes in,,, look for it there. I'll use a different color with each story.

[JDT]

Shazbat!

I'm not a fan of these kinds of threads but I have to be honest and say that this situation has pissed me off!

Back in early July I was contacted by Dava to make a set of custom gift bags for her. She didn't like my fabric options and so she sent me her own fabric. We agreed on a price and I created approximately 50 tiny gift bags for stitch markers for her. I sent her pix of the bags once I had a few complete.

On July 17 I advised here that they were all done, and requested payment. I was told that I didn't need to rush to complete the job.

I informed her that the job was indeed complete and ready to ship. She said that she was running a sale and hoped to have the funds soon.

About 5 weeks later I received $10 of the $25 amount due. I asked her about the balance. She said "what am i supposed to do." She said that she was running sales but did not have the paypal available.

I let hew know that I was pissed with the situation. Since that time I have received countless excuses, but not further payment.

This past monday I sent an email saying "I need to let go of my resentment of this and so i'm mailing you your product." The order was mailed.

Truthfully, Dava's actions have pissed me off. It's irresponsible to make a custom order and then not pay for it. I can appreciate that she had a family situation, but i'm betting she's not using that as an excuse for any of her other obligations.

I have kept mom abreast to this situation throughout.

Dava has said to me that she intends to pay, but as of yet she has not.

I have left honest feedback for her.

[pinkflamingos77]

That sucks! :sigh:


Shazbat!

I'm not a fan of these kinds of threads but I have to be honest and say that this situation has pissed me off!

Back in early July I was contacted by Dava to make a set of custom gift bags for her. She didn't like my fabric options and so she sent me her own fabric. We agreed on a price and I created approximately 50 tiny gift bags for stitch markers for her. I sent her pix of the bags once I had a few complete.

On July 17 I advised here that they were all done, and requested payment. I was told that I didn't need to rush to complete the job.

I informed her that the job was indeed complete and ready to ship. She said that she was running a sale and hoped to have the funds soon.

About 5 weeks later I received $10 of the $25 amount due. I asked her about the balance. She said "what am i supposed to do." She said that she was running sales but did not have the paypal available.

I let hew know that I was pissed with the situation. Since that time I have received countless excuses, but not further payment.

This past monday I sent an email saying "I need to let go of my resentment of this and so i'm mailing you your product." The order was mailed.

Truthfully, Dava's actions have pissed me off. It's irresponsible to make a custom order and then not pay for it. I can appreciate that she had a family situation, but i'm betting she's not using that as an excuse for any of her other obligations.

I have kept mom abreast to this situation throughout.

Dava has said to me that she intends to pay, but as of yet she has not.

I have left honest feedback for her.

[Mom]

Shazbat!

I'm not a fan of these kinds of threads but I have to be honest and say that this situation has pissed me off!

Back in early July I was contacted by Dava to make a set of custom gift bags for her. She didn't like my fabric options and so she sent me her own fabric. We agreed on a price and I created approximately 50 tiny gift bags for stitch markers for her. I sent her pix of the bags once I had a few complete.

On July 17 I advised here that they were all done, and requested payment. I was told that I didn't need to rush to complete the job.

I informed her that the job was indeed complete and ready to ship. She said that she was running a sale and hoped to have the funds soon.

About 5 weeks later I received $10 of the $25 amount due. I asked her about the balance. She said "what am i supposed to do." She said that she was running sales but did not have the paypal available.

I let hew know that I was pissed with the situation. Since that time I have received countless excuses, but not further payment.

This past monday I sent an email saying "I need to let go of my resentment of this and so i'm mailing you your product." The order was mailed.

Truthfully, Dava's actions have pissed me off. It's irresponsible to make a custom order and then not pay for it. I can appreciate that she had a family situation, but i'm betting she's not using that as an excuse for any of her other obligations.

I have kept mom abreast to this situation throughout.

Dava has said to me that she intends to pay, but as of yet she has not.

I have left honest feedback for her.

Yep I was kept informed of this, and totally flaked that it was Dava until Kathy reminded me.

And I feel horrid for that.

[JDT]

Mom,

I never told you who it was. I had hoped that this situation would be taken care of before it came to this.

[Mom]

Mom,

I never told you who it was. I had hoped that this situation would be taken care of before it came to this.

Oh thank goodness. I really thought I'd forgotten.

[Treighsie]

Wow :(

[Deadbeat Daddy]

PMed you Mom...

[JDT]

Oh thank goodness. I really thought I'd forgotten.

No, no, no. You TOTALLY didn't!

I didn't want this to be a public kind of think.

Oh well.

[Shopaholic]

Well, I did just pay her for something today. I do hope I get it soon. I told Ethan a doggie tail was coming in the mail for him to play with. he's super excited.

[TNB]

:( Oh no.

[designmegara]

Thanks for handling this Mom, and I'm now sorry I didn't say something to you sooner now that I see it was an on going thing. So sorry to everyone else who is out stuff, I know its not my fault, but I feel responsible that something wasn't done sooner and maybe a few of these ladies wouldn't be out if I had spoken up sooner, kwim? This sucks :(

[JDT]

Thanks for handling this Mom, and I'm now sorry I didn't say something to you sooner now that I see it was an on going thing. So sorry to everyone else who is out stuff, I know its not my fault, but I feel responsible that something wasn't done sooner and maybe a few of these ladies wouldn't be out if I had spoken up sooner, kwim? This sucks :(

Megan,

I actually kind of feel the same way. Like i said i'm no fan of the "call out" and had hoped that this was a 1x thing. I even mentioned to Dava that our situation might result in something like this. She said that she didn't see why there would be a need for one of these thread about her because she intended to pay for her order with me. :eyeroll:

[designmegara]

Megan,

I actually kind of feel the same way. Like i said i'm no fan of the "call out" and had hoped that this was a 1x thing. I even mentioned to Dava that our situation might result in something like this. She said that she didn't see why there would be a need for one of these thread about her because she intended to pay for her order with me. :eyeroll:

:sigh: I just don't get it. I'm pissed and feel like I could cry at the same time. I hope she makes this right for everyone involved.

[Lollipop]

PM'd you Mom.
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[Mom]

PM'd you Mom.
Posted via Mobile Device

Didn't get it.

[hippydippymama]

Dang this sucks. :( I hate to see productive members of our board go spiralling down.

[JDT]

:sigh: I just don't get it. I'm pissed and feel like I could cry at the same time. I hope she makes this right for everyone involved.

If i were sewing to put food on my table i'd be pissed. Since I just sew for fun it's not that serious to me. At the same time it pissed me off because I bust my hump to make sure that I provide excellent customer service.

[pinkflamingos77]

Dang this sucks. :( I hate to see productive members of our board go spiralling down.

:yeahthat:

Before I read your post. I was just thinking to myself, why does this one bother me so much out of all the call out threads? I think what you posted is why it bothers me so much. She has been a good active member for a while and she has very good feedback and my transaction with her went very smooth and it really sucks to read all this. :(
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And it sucks that some really good mamas on here got screwed. :sigh:

[JDT]

She went rouge! :lol:
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oops! I mean rogue! :rofl:

[MisanthropeKitty]

i ordered from dava in june (i think) and all went well... i bought 3 headbands for a secret mom on another site and dava made them and shipped in a timely manner.

[Jenny81]

Gosh... I don't remember when I ordered from Dava. It was quite a while back (early spring maybe?) I ordered a couple of her soy hand lotions. The order was accurate and was delivered quickly. This is the only transactin I've had with her.

[Lollipop]

Didn't get it.

I sent it again. My phone messed up.
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[crochetfrog]

Ok first of all I appologize for the mamas I've hurt. I'm not in a good place right now and haven't been for a while. I've gotten overwhelmed with family and other things.

Monkey longies, Megan's stuff plus extra, and Christine's orders have been mailed...along with a couple of pairs of fsot longies. I can provide dc numbers if needed. Newborn longies for trade for mama pads are done...pic is posted in wahm show your stuff...even posted in a thread that they were done. Mailing them tomorrow. Frainfam's longies are on the needles and about to start on the legs.

As far as JDT...I am sorry for what happened. I sent in fabric for the bags to be made. I believe I said I wasn't in a hurry for them. She completed them really quickly and I told her I didn't have pp at the time. I tried running sales even 50% off of some things, and no money came in. I sent a partial payment for them. She mentioned later that she was going to sell them if I didn't come up with the rest of the money. I again tried to get some pp coming in because I didn't think it was right for her to sell something I sent in fabric for and payed a partial payment...it would be dumb on my part.

I'm not blaming this all on my grandmother's passing...or my grandfather passing in May...although it has been extremely hard for me since they were both a big part of my life. I've had several things happen for several months. DH took a pay cut and he barely has enough money to put food on the table...if he didn't work at a restaurant and bring food home sometimes, I don't know what we'd do. It's not been feasable for me to get a job atm because of things going on...having one car (I'll be getting my grandmother's car soon though)...and family here from out of town...mother cleaning and going through all of my grandmother's belongings (she's going to watch Bayleigh while I work...because daycare is too much). Also packing because we'll be moving at the end of the year.

I appologize again. I have to go because I'm going to help my mom at my grandmother's house and won't be back til late. I want to get all of this taken care of as soon as possible before Monday...I think they're cutting the phone off then because I haven't been able to pay it.

I'll be back tonight.

[River_Song]

I have known Dava for about two years now and done at least ten trades/regular purchases from her. She's always been great at communication and delivered high-quality goods. There was one slow trade but she sent extras to make up for it, and I have never gotten that 'Oh crap' feeling from any of my dealings with her. I believe she will make right on this stuff.

[JDT]

Dava,

I can appreciate that you've been overwhelmed and certainly I can't and won't speak on the other transactions that you have going on with other people.

As far as my transaction goes:

you said "I don't need them in a hurry." That's fine, but it's not good business to make months and months to do 1 little project. I think it took me, what 10 days to complete it. I think that it's wholely unrealistic for me to wait because you got yourself in over your head.

additionally, I think this whole thing would be annoying if it was 1 or 2 transactions. But it seems to me that after you were already drowning, you kept taking on more.

It doesn't make sense to me.

[designmegara]

Monkey longies, Megan's stuff plus extra, and Christine's orders have been mailed...along with a couple of pairs of fsot longies. I can provide dc numbers if needed. Newborn longies for trade for mama pads are done...pic is posted in wahm show your stuff...even posted in a thread that they were done. Mailing them tomorrow. Frainfam's longies are on the needles and about to start on the legs.



Yes I would like the DC# please.

[Shopaholic]

We did have one partial trade where my end took a while to ship. She did send a headband as an extra. I did order some headbands again later on and they arrived swiftly and there wasn't an issue and she made some crocheted cookies for the kids (and the infamous pink cookie came with it) and that was fine too.

I'll admit that it IS hard when people ship things late and they ship an extra to make up for it. You aren't sure what to say b/c you feel bad that if you complain, you are complaining but you got an extra- its like the extra is to make you happy, which is nice, but then you feel guilty if you would complain about it, KWIM? On the other hand, I loved that headband and it made me order 4 more of them!

[Deadbeat Daddy]

Ok first of all I appologize for the mamas I've hurt. I'm not in a good place right now and haven't been for a while. I've gotten overwhelmed with family and other things.

Monkey longies, Megan's stuff plus extra, and Christine's orders have been mailed...along with a couple of pairs of fsot longies. I can provide dc numbers if needed. Newborn longies for trade for mama pads are done...pic is posted in wahm show your stuff...even posted in a thread that they were done. Mailing them tomorrow. Frainfam's longies are on the needles and about to start on the legs.

As far as JDT...I am sorry for what happened. I sent in fabric for the bags to be made. I believe I said I wasn't in a hurry for them. She completed them really quickly and I told her I didn't have pp at the time. I tried running sales even 50% off of some things, and no money came in. I sent a partial payment for them. She mentioned later that she was going to sell them if I didn't come up with the rest of the money. I again tried to get some pp coming in because I didn't think it was right for her to sell something I sent in fabric for and payed a partial payment...it would be dumb on my part.

I'm not blaming this all on my grandmother's passing...or my grandfather passing in May...although it has been extremely hard for me since they were both a big part of my life. I've had several things happen for several months. DH took a pay cut and he barely has enough money to put food on the table...if he didn't work at a restaurant and bring food home sometimes, I don't know what we'd do. It's not been feasable for me to get a job atm because of things going on...having one car (I'll be getting my grandmother's car soon though)...and family here from out of town...mother cleaning and going through all of my grandmother's belongings (she's going to watch Bayleigh while I work...because daycare is too much). Also packing because we'll be moving at the end of the year.

I appologize again. I have to go because I'm going to help my mom at my grandmother's house and won't be back til late. I want to get all of this taken care of as soon as possible before Monday...I think they're cutting the phone off then because I haven't been able to pay it.

I'll be back tonight.

Thanks! I knew you posted that they were about done. I didn't want to bug you with all that you have going on. I just saw the pic and they look great, thank you!

[Sanity]

Megan,

I actually kind of feel the same way. Like i said i'm no fan of the "call out" and had hoped that this was a 1x thing. I even mentioned to Dava that our situation might result in something like this. She said that she didn't see why there would be a need for one of these thread about her because she intended to pay for her order with me. :eyeroll:

The road to hell is paved with good intentions :twitch:

[JDT]

We did have one partial trade where my end took a while to ship. She did send a headband as an extra. I did order some headbands again later on and they arrived swiftly and there wasn't an issue and she made some crocheted cookies for the kids (and the infamous pink cookie came with it) and that was fine too.

I'll admit that it IS hard when people ship things late and they ship an extra to make up for it. You aren't sure what to say b/c you feel bad that if you complain, you are complaining but you got an extra- its like the extra is to make you happy, which is nice, but then you feel guilty if you would complain about it, KWIM? On the other hand, I loved that headband and it made me order 4 more of them!

Why would it be bad to give a positive rating but to say "slow shipping but extra gifts sent"

[Sanity]

Why would it be bad to give a positive rating but to say "slow shipping but extra gifts sent"

That would be absolutely perfect, actually

[pinkflamingos77]

Why would it be bad to give a positive rating but to say "slow shipping but extra gifts sent"

Or post neutral feedback

[Mom]

Dava,

Thank you for coming and posting. I'd like copies of the DC#'s too. I can appreciate what you're going though.

I'm asking you to stop all FSOT activity here until you're in a better place. And I'd like for you to contact either me or Melody when you feel you are ready for that.

I hope that you find some peace with the recent passings.

[Shopaholic]

Why would it be bad to give a positive rating but to say "slow shipping but extra gifts sent"

I did do that, actually. Originally, when they were coming so late I thought I'd leave neutral but then I got the extra and didn't feel right about that so I left positive and put in the comments that the shipping was slow so there were extras.
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Or post neutral feedback

b ut what I'm saying is that you can feel guilty leaving something other than positive when you got an extra.

[Deadbeat Daddy]

Yeah, I feel guilty when the person sends extra stuff to make up for whatever happened in the transaction... like I should give them a positive because they are trying to make it right. And I hate being the first person to ruin good feedback... gah its so agonizing to leave FB!

[Jacky]

I just want to mention that I had a transaction with Dava in August and it went very smoothly. I hope she gets things worked out.

[CountryBarbie225]

This was my 3rd transaction with Dava and everything went smoothly in the past 2, this is the only one that has had issues. And I didn't pay until they were done so it isn't like there was time to consider for crocheting the longies.
I do have my DC# from PP, but its also the same one that was printed on August 25th.
If I get them and they are right, I will leave positive or neutral stating slow to ship but items received.
heck if anyone looks at my feedback it took longer than it should have for me to ship some fabric recently (i just didnt estimate how long it would take me to drag rolls up and cut the fabric-I since added a disclaimer to my fabric FSOT post) but anyways...back to what I was saying..if you look at my feedback I even got a slower to ship than expected but fabric was right. No I didn't add extras but I covered an extra $8 shipping to go priority that I misquoted on.

Dava-I just hope you are able to find peace with the recent passings and are able to get yourself in a better place!

[Suzanne]

I've got to say, I don't buy the "I said I wasn't in a hurry for them" as an excuse to not pay. When you place an order with any company (even a WAHM) you need to be prepared to pay for your order when it's finished.

[Shopaholic]

I've got to say, I don't buy the "I said I wasn't in a hurry for them" as an excuse to not pay. When you place an order with any company (even a WAHM) you need to be prepared to pay for your order when it's finished.

I agree with this. Actually, you should be prepared to pay right away, unless you set up something w/ the seller. I've made arrangements for payments around payday and such, but I was prepared and on the day I said I'd pay, I paid it.

[hippydippymama]

Andthis is why I require a 50% deposit or full payment up front before starting a custom. :twitch:

[Deadbeat Daddy]

Andthis is why I require a 50% deposit or full payment up front before starting a custom. :twitch:

yes maam

[MBRL567]

I have had a few transactions with Crochetfrog (one off her store for headbands) and one for her KIP bag. To my knowledge there were no issues. I even let her decide on yarn colors and everything for the KIP, it came and i LOVE it.

no complaints :)

[momof2stepmomof3]

I have had 3 transactions with dava, they were a little slow on the shipping but I was always happy with what I got. I love her headbands. Dava I hope you get this taken care of and I hope things get better with you soon :hugs:

[crochetfrog]

I've sent dc numbers to Mom...

Megan here's yours..9101150134711848717959

JDT sent the bags anyway and I got them today. I do intend on paying the balance once I have the funds. I won't however tarnish her fb like mine is now.

I've taken on customs before and taken partial payments on items.

Jackie, your longies I'll have to mail at the post office because today when printing labels my printer started running out of ink. I don't have the funds to get another cartridge atm.

[magpiedpiper]

JDT sent the bags anyway and I got them today. I do intend on paying the balance once I have the funds. I won't however tarnish her fb like mine is now.

I've taken on customs before and taken partial payments on items.



But JDT didn't do anything wrong...? And aren't partial payments usually agreed upon in advance?

[crochetfrog]

No she didn't. At one time she wanted some headbands but I guess changed her mind when I asked about sending them to her as a partial trade. She didn't do anything wrong and I take full responsibility for all of this. I basically meant that I know there are several people that wouldn't think twice about retalitory fb...and I'm not one of them.

Although some of the ones I've done have been agreed upon in advance, but there's been others that haven't. And this one wasn't and I take resposibility for it and will send the rest of the funds as soon as I have them.

[pinkflamingos77]

No she didn't. At one time she wanted some headbands but I guess changed her mind when I asked about sending them to her as a partial trade. She didn't do anything wrong and I take full responsibility for all of this. I basically meant that I know there are several people that wouldn't think twice about retalitory fb...and I'm not one of them.

Although some of the ones I've done have been agreed upon in advance, but there's been others that haven't. And this one wasn't and I take resposibility for it and will send the rest of the funds as soon as I have them.

How much do you owe JDT?

[momof2stepmomof3]

How much do you owe JDT?

I think it is 15 still right? I know mom said she is not allowed to sell but I have a little PP and I am looking into purchasing a piece of wool.

I trust dava to do the right thing. I have done several trades with her and always happy.

[Flowerchild]

Mom, I Pm'd you.

[pinkflamingos77]

I think it is 15 still right? I know mom said she is not allowed to sell but I have a little PP and I am looking into purchasing a piece of wool.

I trust dava to do the right thing. I have done several trades with her and always happy.

Well, I was thinking about sending her the PP to pay JDT back. Then Dava can just make me something or pay me back whenever she has the chance.

[camom2007]

I had a transaction with Dava back in July for an in-stock pair of shorties. The package came quickly. You can see them on DS in my avi. No issues here.

Dava...I hope things start looking up for you and your family.

[momof2stepmomof3]

Dava is a awesome person. She sells great stuff...

I am sorry some of you had some slow transactions but I will try to help you all I can dava. My granny is sick right now and I am super close to her so I can relate to you.

I do not want to see you labeled as a scammer. I talk all the time about this board and how sweet the mama's are here. It is so different than the other board. I feel like people here care about one another.

I have received several items for step dd's baby. I don't know what we would have done without everyones help. We are doing better now with dh getting the new job but I know what it is like to live paycheck to paycheck and worry about the kids, food ect...

Dava you mentioned earlier in your post about food. Do u guys need some help? I don't really have no extra $$ but the cabnets are full of food and I would def help if u need it.

[Katiebear]

I don't think that anyone here considers Dava a scammer. I think that some people felt she needed a bit of a nudge to finish her outstanding commitments.

[momof2stepmomof3]

I think with her name in orange that says it all

[jflowers]

Thanks for handling this Mom, and I'm now sorry I didn't say something to you sooner now that I see it was an on going thing. So sorry to everyone else who is out stuff, I know its not my fault, but I feel responsible that something wasn't done sooner and maybe a few of these ladies wouldn't be out if I had spoken up sooner, kwim? This sucks :(
I feel the same way. :(
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Pm'd you Mom

[Deadbeat Daddy]

I don't think that anyone here considers Dava a scammer. I think that some people felt she needed a bit of a nudge to finish her outstanding commitments.

I totally DO NOT think Dava is a scammer, nor should she be labeled as one at all. She has had a lot on her plate recently and personally, that's why I hadn't pushed the issue with her at all. And then I saw in the one thread, she mentioned my longies were almost done so I was like "okie doke" and figured I'd be getting them soon enough.

I'm confident she will make everything right!!!

[Katiebear]

I think with her name in orange that says it all

Scammers don't get their name in orange - they get banned.

Mom/admin has asked her to finish up her commitments then take a break from FSOT to get herself in order. I view the orange as an extention of that.

[r_raff_lm]

I think with her name in orange that says it all
it doesn't scream scammer to me, it says check the hot seat and see what the issues are. I think this thread is basically saying take a step back and get your life in control, instead of taking on more than you can handle.

[jflowers]

Dava- I think this is a good break for you to get everything finished up and to heal from your loss.

[momof2stepmomof3]

it doesn't scream scammer to me, it says check the hot seat and see what the issues are. I think this thread is basically saying take a step back and get your life in control, instead of taking on more than you can handle.

I hope so for her sake. I just know how things are. It is easy to tarnish a wahm's name. I think she will take care of all of this. I know there are several people wanting to help and JDT will have her $$ in the morning. :loveshower:

[crochetfrog]

Can someone rep or pm me JDT's pp addy? I looked it up in my pp but it's got her email...not sure if that's her pp addy or not.

I do intend on making things right. I have had lots of stuff on my plate and I didn't expect some things to happen so quickly. I'm taking them really hard. I kept thinking things would get better and they only got worse. There's so many factors but in the end it's all my fault.

I do appreciate some mamas being so nice to me. It really means a lot to me.

[Flowerchild]

I have had a great transaction with Dava in the past too. I was a bit shocked. I do hope things get better on here and with her family. I think that she's an asset to the board for sure.

[mikoto127]

:bighug: I don't see her as a scammer, but just that she needs a break. I had a transaction with her (though I was the seller) and things went fine. I'm sure that once things have calmed down at home she'll be awesome again with FSOT.

[_melody_]

Scammers don't get their name in orange - they get banned.

Mom/admin has asked her to finish up her commitments then take a break from FSOT to get herself in order. I view the orange as an extention of that.

it doesn't scream scammer to me, it says check the hot seat and see what the issues are. I think this thread is basically saying take a step back and get your life in control, instead of taking on more than you can handle.

This is exactly the case. We understand that things get tough sometimes, but we have to protect the members of the board. Dava is a very sweet mama, but there have been issues with her transactions several times and we just felt that it was time to get stuff cleared up and taken care of before allowing her to enter into any more transactions. The orange name is to alert our members to the fact that there is a thread here to check out with info about her.

If we felt that she was deliberately stealing from our members, we would have said so in no uncertain terms, believe me, and she would be out the door. We like Dava, and value her as a member, but we like and value the rest of you too. This needed to be out in the open so that everything could be settled and hopefully things will be easier for Dava and no more members will have problems with her in the future.

[Danni]

Well said Melody!

[momof2stepmomof3]

pm'd ya her pp addy dava

[crochetfrog]

Thanks! Didn't know if her pp addy was different than the email. I'll send it and send Mom the info from the transaction.

[4smartmonkeys]

Dava, if you are having problems with bills and food....please ask for help. There are great agencies out there that can help, believe me, I know from experience. No one wants to be in any situation that causes them to need help from others. There are places that can help with your basic bills, food banks, Angel Food and of course government help(food stamps, WIC, etc.)
I hope things start looking up for you. I am very close to my grandmom and can't imagine what you are going through in that aspect, I wish you all the very best.

[JDT]

Paypal was received. Thank you
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[Shopaholic]

I think what happens is that WAHM's may not relize that it takes years to start turning a profit for your business and that for the first few years, your money goes back INTO your business- not for groceries or bills, etc. If money is used for each transaction you make for other things, you may not have the funds to ship, the funds to buy materials for customs, etc and then situations like this happen or situations where you need more sales to get $ to ship items from previous sales. I know some local WAHMs who did/do well who pretty much said it was years before they saw profit b/c all their money went back into their business. DAnni said it right too- ifyou don't have the $ in hand, don't do the transaction!

[JDT]

I wanted to add that I hope things are better for you soon. I hate call out threads but I'm glad that this happened. I had hoped that this could have been cleared up privately. But in the end I'm glad that it is resolved in my case. Ibtrust that the other good mamas here will have their situations resolved as well .

Fwiw- I did not ruin your reputation with negative feedback. I simply told the truth after giving you numerous opportunities to do the right thing.
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[Treighsie]

I also wanted to say, I purchased a hat from Dava, and also some bookmarks about a year ago... the bookmarks took a while but she sent an extra, and the hat came quickly and I love it.

:bighug: to Dava

[Danni]

OK, so I feel the need to make an observation.

This thread has contained several "I ordered from Dava, the shipping was late but she sent extras to make up for it"

See this is something I have a problem with. That is something that happens once or twice in a WAHM career. Not something that happens mulitple times in less than a year. If it is happening that often that is telling me that there is a problem. Whether it is a problem with organization, time management or taking on too much, I am not sure. But it is not a behavior that can continue. I know that your Grandma died Dava, and I am so so sorry for that. But things still need to be taken care of. Like I said in my last FSOT PSA, this is someone elses money and time you are taking on when you make a promise to make something and send it.

I think it would be a good idea during this time to look at the way you run things. Not sure what the answer is, a giant calendar or a day planner listing when things are expected to be done and shipped?

But obviously something needs to change. Because being late and sending extras is not a good business practice.

Now you are a very valued member here Dava, we all know that. You are a good person. But if you will continue to FSOT here things will need to imporve.

Now a quick comment on the issue with JDT. If you order something you need to be prepared with the money to pay for it at the moment of placing the order. That is not acceptable to expect her to just hang on to them while you raise funds.

[Mom]

I've sent dc numbers to Mom...

Megan here's yours..9101150134711848717959

JDT sent the bags anyway and I got them today. I do intend on paying the balance once I have the funds. I won't however tarnish her fb like mine is now.

I've taken on customs before and taken partial payments on items.

Jackie, your longies I'll have to mail at the post office because today when printing labels my printer started running out of ink. I don't have the funds to get another cartridge atm.

You deserved the feedback you got.

But JDT didn't do anything wrong...? And aren't partial payments usually agreed upon in advance?

Exactly. She did nothing wrong, in fact she went out of her way to help you. She even sent you the bags before having all HER money.

Dava is a awesome person. She sells great stuff...

I am sorry some of you had some slow transactions but I will try to help you all I can dava. My granny is sick right now and I am super close to her so I can relate to you.

I do not want to see you labeled as a scammer. I talk all the time about this board and how sweet the mama's are here. It is so different than the other board. I feel like people here care about one another.

I have received several items for step dd's baby. I don't know what we would have done without everyones help. We are doing better now with dh getting the new job but I know what it is like to live paycheck to paycheck and worry about the kids, food ect...

Dava you mentioned earlier in your post about food. Do u guys need some help? I don't really have no extra $$ but the cabnets are full of food and I would def help if u need it.

She is by no means being labeled a scammer. That's not what this is about at all.

I don't think that anyone here considers Dava a scammer. I think that some people felt she needed a bit of a nudge to finish her outstanding commitments.

:yeahthat:

I think with her name in orange that says it all

Her name in orange says she has some issues. IF she was a scammer her name would be black with a line though it and the dancing deodorant would be her avi.

Scammers don't get their name in orange - they get banned.

Mom/admin has asked her to finish up her commitments then take a break from FSOT to get herself in order. I view the orange as an extention of that.

Exactly. this is not a one time thing. This has happened repeatidly (sp). Why should she be kept under the radar. You have no idea the amount of PM's I actually have in regurds to this. Of people who didn't want their storys out there.

I have had a great transaction with Dava in the past too. I was a bit shocked. I do hope things get better on here and with her family. I think that she's an asset to the board for sure.

I think she's an asset to. She's well liked. I realize what's going on in her life and I am not unsympethitic.
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Dava,

We also need to address the contest you ran for the nursing pads. One of the winners paid for everyones shipping, and while I realize it's not a lot of money, none of the winners has received anything.

Can you update on that please.

[QueenRainbow]

We have had issues with Dava on AMH as well. She was one swap or FSOT problem away from a BST ban there before this thread. I talked to Melody about this a few weeks ago actually. This thread is essentially the "straw that broke the camels back" and Dava has been put on a 6 month ban from BST and swaps.


Dava, You are a valued member of AMH, we know you didn't mean for all of this to happen and Deb and I have tried to work with you through your issues there. In turn we would appreciate if you at least acknowleded the thread on AMH rather than just reading and running.

[bellamama]

I think what happens is that WAHM's may not relize that it takes years to start turning a profit for your business and that for the first few years, your money goes back INTO your business- not for groceries or bills, etc. If money is used for each transaction you make for other things, you may not have the funds to ship, the funds to buy materials for customs, etc and then situations like this happen or situations where you need more sales to get $ to ship items from previous sales. I know some local WAHMs who did/do well who pretty much said it was years before they saw profit b/c all their money went back into their business. DAnni said it right too- ifyou don't have the $ in hand, don't do the transaction!

Very true

[crochetfrog]

I am working on getting all of this taken care of. I know it's all my fault..and I've said so repeatedly. I'm not blaming anyone else for any of this. I'm dealing with them here. The issues on AMH have been taken care of. Yes I was late on some swaps...it all happened around the same time. I took care of that...I shipped the items and I paid for shipping...all done.

I'm by no means doing this on purpose. I'm doing what it takes to clear this up here and it hits me again from other places.

A break is a good thing...it'll give me time to deal with the packing and the move and such. Won't give me that little extra (which is few and far between due to the economy) to help out DH when the $'s gone that week...but w/e.

I understand I have some things to work on and I do intend to. I'm working on getting things straightened out and obviously that won't make everything alright. So I don't know what else to do. You can make all of the people happy sometimes, but you can't make some of the people happy all the time.

[Shopaholic]

I think, what it boils down to is to keep the money from one transaction for that one transaction. If someone paid you $5 for the item and $2 for shipping,that $2 for shipping needs to stay w/ THAT item, so there is no relying on future sales to give the funds for that item. I'm not saying this is just you- I'm seeing a trend here with money being all used up and not being put aside to ship the sold items. Also, if money is kept int he business, funds would be accessible to ship trade items. A small business doens't see ap rofit for a while- its the hanging in there, not really making money initially, that pays off in the end. If a WAHM starts her business trying to use profit right away, I think she'll end up failing in her business.

[Sanity]

I think with her name in orange that says it all

Her name being orange doesn't mean we think she's a scammer. All your name being orange means is "B/S/T with Caution"

If we thought she was a scammer, her name would be red, I bet, for STOP.

[redfishbluefish]

Glad it's being taken care of. :<3: Hugs all around.

[JoyfulRose]

PM'd you Mom.

I hope you get things worked out Dava and that you're able to find the peace and healing you need. :hugs:

[Mom]

Dava, I'm adding one more to the OP.

:sigh:

[crochetfrog]

Doll trade...done...sent dc number to Mom
Monkey longies...done...sent dc number to Mom
JDT...payment sent...transaction info sent to Mom
Pad trade longies...done...will send dc number to Mom
Monkey shorties, ect. trade...done...sent dc number to Mom


Don't know who this is...but if given the info I will send something to make up for this

I got some longies from her before, shipping took a LOT longer than I expected, CHILDS NAME couldn't even wear them as long as I'd hoped because it got warm out since shipping took weeks longer then she'd promised.

[Mom]

Doll trade...done...sent dc number to Mom
Monkey longies...done...sent dc number to Mom
JDT...payment sent...transaction info sent to Mom
Pad trade longies...done...will send dc number to Mom
Monkey shorties, ect. trade...done...sent dc number to Mom


Don't know who this is...but if given the info I will send something to make up for this

I got some longies from her before, shipping took a LOT longer than I expected, CHILDS NAME couldn't even wear them as long as I'd hoped because it got warm out since shipping took weeks longer then she'd promised.

Thank you. If that person wants to contact you they can.

[crochetfrog]

Sent more dc numbers.
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I wish they would. I would like to make up for that one too.

[mada]

I think with her name in orange that says it all

I think having her name in orange is a "warning" for the current behavior, but may not be a permanent change once things are figured out. I may be totally out of line saying that, but I thought I read that orange isn't always permanent.

FWIW, I don't think scammer when I see orange, I do think massive issues. I think what she's had going on qualifies as some massive issues.

[MBRL567]

I think having her name in orange is a "warning" for the current behavior, but may not be a permanent change once things are figured out. I may be totally out of line saying that, but I thought I read that orange isn't always permanent.

FWIW, I don't think scammer when I see orange, I do think massive issues. I think what she's had going on qualifies as some massive issues.

for the bold, i sure hope not. ;) for underlined- A HUGE thank you... not all of us are these scammer monsters.

[Suzanne]

I've sent dc numbers to Mom...

Megan here's yours..9101150134711848717959

JDT sent the bags anyway and I got them today. I do intend on paying the balance once I have the funds. I won't however tarnish her fb like mine is now.

I've taken on customs before and taken partial payments on items.

Jackie, your longies I'll have to mail at the post office because today when printing labels my printer started running out of ink. I don't have the funds to get another cartridge atm.

Huh? You earned your tarnish, she did nothing wrong.

[Suzanne]

You can make all of the people happy sometimes, but you can't make some of the people happy all the time.

This is not a good attitude to have running a business though.

[hippydippymama]

This is not a good attitude to have running a business though.

:ditto:

[crochetfrog]

Yes, I deserved it....but like I said several posts ago that I know some people that wouldn't think twice about leaving retalitory fb...I'm not one of them.

That's just a saying. I do try to make people happy. I can't make everyone happy. No one can. I made a mistake and I'm trying to fix it. That will make some happy...but those that it won't...well, that's the price I'll have to pay for my mistake.

[Suzanne]

Yes, I deserved it....but like I said several posts ago that I know some people that wouldn't think twice about leaving retalitory fb...I'm not one of them.

That's just a saying. I do try to make people happy. I can't make everyone happy. No one can. I made a mistake and I'm trying to fix it. That will make some happy...but those that it won't...well, that's the price I'll have to pay for my mistake.


Just sayin though, the idea of running a business is to strive to make ALL your customers happy. To have a "oh well, not everyone will be satisfied" attitude will only hurt your business, and lead you to more of these same issues. And I've seen your stuff, it's GOOD, I want your stuff to sell well :)

[Messy]

Yes, I deserved it....but like I said several posts ago that I know some people that wouldn't think twice about leaving retalitory fb...I'm not one of them.

That's just a saying. I do try to make people happy. I can't make everyone happy. No one can. I made a mistake and I'm trying to fix it. That will make some happy...but those that it won't...well, that's the price I'll have to pay for my mistake.
Those that leave retalitory feedback are bitter scammers for the most part. They break the rules of the forum to do so and if all goes well with the world, it is removed. I mean, I know some people that wouldn't think twice about stealing a car but that doesn't mean I have considered it or said that I would just live with the car situation I have because there are those who would steal one to make theirs *look* better. In the end they go to jail and those who choose to leave retalitory feedback go to the Do Not B/S/T lists of many people.
I admit, your choice of even throwing that statement out there (about not tarnishing her feedback like yours has been) really struck a chord with me more than anything else in this thread. It was a random bitter thought that showed your anger towards her (understanding people do not mention retalitory feedback, sorry) and ya know, she did nothing wrong and even ended up sending you the stuff without full payment! You should have thanked her over and over, not thrown out there that quip about your tarnished feedback and how you are better than to leave retalitory feedback for her. Yeah, some might do it, but they are real asshats.

[designmegara]

Those that leave retalitory feedback are bitter scammers for the most part. They break the rules of the forum to do so and if all goes well with the world, it is removed. I mean, I know some people that wouldn't think twice about stealing a car but that doesn't mean I have considered it or said that I would just live with the car situation I have because there are those who would steal one to make theirs *look* better. In the end they go to jail and those who choose to leave retalitory feedback go to the Do Not B/S/T lists of many people.
I admit, your choice of even throwing that statement out there (about not tarnishing her feedback like yours has been) really struck a chord with me more than anything else in this thread. It was a random bitter thought that showed your anger towards her (understanding people do not mention retalitory feedback, sorry) and ya know, she did nothing wrong and even ended up sending you the stuff without full payment! You should have thanked her over and over, not thrown out there that quip about your tarnished feedback and how you are better than to leave retalitory feedback for her. Yeah, some might do it, but they are real asshats.

:yeahthat: That's what I've been thinking since she said that, but couldn't fully articulate. Its like we are supposed to be happy that she's acting the way she should be EXPECTED to act :sigh: That's like saying 'well, I COULD have thrown my trash on the ground, but CHOSE to put it in the trash can right next to me, so I deserve extra credit for putting it in the trash instead of on the ground.' The line of thinking makes no sense to me.

[crochetfrog]

Ok..I regret saying it that way, not the first time I said something and it didn't come out the way I meant it. I'm not bitter at her. I screwed up...I resolved it...it's in the past.

I'm not trying to get extra credit. All I'm wanting to do is work on getting this taken care of quickly. I took longer than expected and I'm working on making it right. I'm not angry at anyone else other than myself.

A lot of times what I want to say doesn't come out right through my fingers.

[Messy]

Ok..I regret saying it that way, not the first time I said something and it didn't come out the way I meant it. I'm not bitter at her. I screwed up...I resolved it...it's in the past.

I'm not trying to get extra credit. All I'm wanting to do is work on getting this taken care of quickly. I took longer than expected and I'm working on making it right. I'm not angry at anyone else other than myself.

A lot of times what I want to say doesn't come out right through my fingers.
And this I have been guilty of many many times! :hugs: It will all work out!!! Just keep your head up and your thoughts as happy as you can and know there is a whole board of people thinking about you and sending good thoughts and prayers your way :bighug:

[Deanner03]

I hope, Dava, that you get everything straightened out, and can jump back into FSOT, etc when you're ready. I've had MULTIPLE transactions with Dava, and all have gone really well. She's a sweet mama who makes really nice stuff.

[CountryBarbie225]

I really hope everything gets worked out for you Dava. Like I said this is the first of three transactions I have done with you that I have had issues with. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in that your grandmother had passed away. With what I had an issue with is that I did not pay you until the longies were completed. Payment was on August 21st...shipping notice not printed until August 25th. According to your posts your grandmother passed away 9/4. (maybe 9/3...I didn't check the times but your post saying that she was gone was on 9/4) and the longies STILL had not shipped.
I am hopefully that everything is going to be made right, I am just really shocked at the time frame it took for everything. :(

[Suzanne]

Ok..I regret saying it that way, not the first time I said something and it didn't come out the way I meant it. I'm not bitter at her. I screwed up...I resolved it...it's in the past.

I'm not trying to get extra credit. All I'm wanting to do is work on getting this taken care of quickly. I took longer than expected and I'm working on making it right. I'm not angry at anyone else other than myself.

A lot of times what I want to say doesn't come out right through my fingers.

That happens to the best of us :hugs:

[Jenn]

:sigh::shakehead:

[gooselady]

:panic:

[designmegara]

Just wanted to update that I got my package today. Thanks Dava :)

[CountryBarbie225]

I received the longies today as well.

[LadyLiz]

Thanks for the info

[Deadbeat Daddy]

got my longies today! I love them!!

[Lint Licker]

:(

[Shopaholic]

FWIW, I ordered two customs from Dava the day this big post was created, and they arrived today - they were made quickly and s hipped quickly. Ethan adores his doggie tail she made for him.

[Messy]

:(
??? Have something to add here or are you sad that everything is getting worked out? Personally, I am pretty happy that it is working out for the best.
Although, I do need to see pics of this said "doggy tail" thing :err:

[Shopaholic]

LOL I'll get pics when I charge my camera battery. Its a doggie tail if you wear it facing backwards.. If you spin it around though - LOL - it sorta looks like a fun fur winky bwahhaaaaaaa but then again, my mind is always in the gutter.

[Purple]

I got my longies I ordered from her back in August today! :woot:

Thank you Dava!

[River_Song]

LOL I'll get pics when I charge my camera battery. Its a doggie tail if you wear it facing backwards.. If you spin it around though - LOL - it sorta looks like a fun fur winky bwahhaaaaaaa but then again, my mind is always in the gutter.
fur winkys!!! :rofl:

[Flowerchild]

Got the nursing pads today! Thanks! I haven't tried them yet. Sorry I won't be posting action shots! But I will let you know how they work.

[Purple]

Got the nursing pads today! Thanks! I haven't tried them yet. Sorry I won't be posting action shots! But I will let you know how they work.


:please: actions shots!! :toofunny:

[princesshannon]

Got the nursing pads today! Thanks! I haven't tried them yet. Sorry I won't be posting action shots! But I will let you know how they work.

snort...:toofunny:i totally can't top that...:toofunny: dava is all good with me!

[Sanity]

Ok..I regret saying it that way, not the first time I said something and it didn't come out the way I meant it. I'm not bitter at her. I screwed up...I resolved it...it's in the past.

I'm not trying to get extra credit. All I'm wanting to do is work on getting this taken care of quickly. I took longer than expected and I'm working on making it right. I'm not angry at anyone else other than myself.

A lot of times what I want to say doesn't come out right through my fingers.

This is me, a lot of the time.

[JoyfulRose]

I received the Monkey Buttz, Bitty Baby, and crocheted earrings from our trade that started in May. :)

The workmanship on everything is beautiful! I do wish that we'd received the shorties sooner because it's starting to get cold here (hoping they still fit AJ next summer, but they have some stretch to them so hopefully!)

A few pics:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd297/JoyfulRose/Trades/sock-monkey-longies3.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd297/JoyfulRose/Trades/sock-monkey-longies2.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd297/JoyfulRose/Trades/sock-monkey-longies.jpg

Dava, I emailed you. I hope you're able to get everything worked out personally and professionally. You're a very talented lady!

[Jenny81]

I received the Monkey Buttz, Bitty Baby, and crocheted earrings from our trade that started in May. :)

The workmanship on everything is beautiful! I do wish that we'd received the shorties sooner because it's starting to get cold here (hoping they still fit AJ next summer, but they have some stretch to them so hopefully!)

A few pics:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd297/JoyfulRose/Trades/sock-monkey-longies3.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd297/JoyfulRose/Trades/sock-monkey-longies2.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd297/JoyfulRose/Trades/sock-monkey-longies.jpg

Dava, I emailed you. I hope you're able to get everything worked out personally and professionally. You're a very talented lady!


You could always have length added to them to make them longies for the winter too. They're very cute. Dava is very talented :)

[Messy]

Dava, you have spectacular skill!!! I am impressed more each time I see something you have created!

[Dana]

Dava also has not been paying her congo fees or acknowledging messages from me pertaining to missed payments

[LadyLiz]

Dava are you going to message me back?
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:shrug:

[Flowerchild]

It doesn't look like she's logged on since the 22nd.

[earthmama]

Her internet may be off now...

[*~*Amanda*~*]

Got the nursing pads today! Thanks! I haven't tried them yet. Sorry I won't be posting action shots! But I will let you know how they work.

Dava also has not been paying her congo fees or acknowledging messages from me pertaining to missed payments

Dava are you going to message me back?
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:shrug:

I got a mess. on Saturday (I will double check but Im 90% sure) that she was sending out my nursing pads on Monday. I havent received them as of today and will update when I do. :)
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I am not sure why I qouted everyone but anywho...

[Flowerchild]

I got a mess. on Saturday (I will double check but Im 90% sure) that she was sending out my nursing pads on Monday. I havent received them as of today and will update when I do. :)
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I am not sure why I qouted everyone but anywho...
Eh, I kinda like being quoted. :lol:

[*~*Amanda*~*]

Eh, I kinda like being quoted. :lol:
Really?
Me too.
So uh I qouted you again.

[Flowerchild]

Really?
Me too.
So uh I qouted you again.
:loveshower:

[djbabygirl]

Dava, I'm SO sorry to hear about the loss of your grandparents. I can only imagine how hard that is for you. On the financial end, we've been pretty tight here too since DH's company has been open one week and closed the next, but we've been fortunate enough that we have a lot of family support where we need it. My point is, if there is anything I'm able to help you with, please let me know! I'll have to admit I was totally flabbergasted to see this thread! The 3 transactions I've done with you in the past were super fast and super fantastic quality! I don't think any of it was done purposefully. It just looks to me like you've had a ton of hardship hit you at one time and it caused things to snowball out of control! I really hope things get better for you and your family! Reach out if you need a hand (or a shoulder)! :hugs::comfort:

[jenniferjunniper]

Dava, I'm SO sorry to hear about the loss of your grandparents. I can only imagine how hard that is for you. On the financial end, we've been pretty tight here too since DH's company has been open one week and closed the next, but we've been fortunate enough that we have a lot of family support where we need it. My point is, if there is anything I'm able to help you with, please let me know! I'll have to admit I was totally flabbergasted to see this thread! The 3 transactions I've done with you in the past were super fast and super fantastic quality! I don't think any of it was done purposefully. It just looks to me like you've had a ton of hardship hit you at one time and it caused things to snowball out of control! I really hope things get better for you and your family! Reach out if you need a hand (or a shoulder)! :hugs::comfort:


Very nice post!! Dava is an awesome mama, and we love her here!!

[QueenRainbow]

Dava said her phone was being cut off on monday (9/21) so I doubt she'll be on for awhile.

[frainfam]

I hope she has access to the internet somewhere

[crochetfrog]

I'm back for now. The phone got cut off and they wouldn't take a partial payment and wouldn't take a debit card. So I had to wait til Friday when DH got paid. He paid it and they said it would be on in 24/48 hours. One time before it was one before I could get back home. Well...no such luck this time...it was off the whole weekend too :(. So it's back on now.

I finished frainfram's longies..just need to weave in the ends. I have the nursing pads and a couple of other things ready to mail. I didn't get addresses (still no ink for my printer) before the phone cut off. I did go to the library Monday but I only had a few minutes on the computer it was so busy. Then my aunt left Saturday so all during the week she needed us to help her pack the uhaul truck with her part of my grandmother's belongings.

Liz I did get your pm...been working on the items. :) I did find some of the choco cherry yarn :)

I haven't stocked at WAHM Nation in a couple of months. I didn't intend on taking a break...it just happened. I'll try to get the $ to pay for dues. It's really been hard around here with family issues and this.

I've been catching up on some knitting and crocheting this week too.

Now to catch up on net stuff...

[Flowerchild]

:woohoo:
:hugs: I hope things are getting better for you Dava!

[HCB]

dava,
I still have not received my headbands. I think you shipped them to the wrong address and the DC says they are returned to you. I have emailed you and asked, but I have not heard back from you.
Please email me back when you get a chance.

[crochetfrog]

I've been offline for a week and have over a hundred emails...got started looking at them and dh hogged the computer all night.

I haven't gotten anything back so if it doesn't come tomorrow I'll go to the post office and inquire about it. I can send you more too if you want.

[earthmama]

Hey Dava! Whenever you are ready I can pay you for the socks and blanky and you can get all my stuff out of your hair! LOL Thanks again for all your hard work!

[frainfam]

Thank you for updating us, dava! :)

[*~*Amanda*~*]

Just an update. Re: Contest nursing pads. I havent received them. She had mentioned mailing them on the 21st. :)
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*That was a bit unclear. She said she was going to mail them on the 21st.

[PrincessPurple]

Just an update. Re: Contest nursing pads. I havent received them. She had mentioned mailing them on the 21st. :)
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*That was a bit unclear. She said she was going to mail them on the 21st.

Have you received them yet?

[crochetfrog]

I had put postage on the package and sent it with dh on his way to work because I wasn't feeling good. As far as I know he mailed it then. I told him all he had to do was take it in and give it to them because I knew I had more on it that what it needed. He's asleep already because he has to go to work early in the am and I don't bother that "sleeping dog".

[HCB]

I received my headbands from Dava.

[*~*Amanda*~*]

I got my nursing pads ove the weekend! Thank you!

[LadyLiz]

My order arrived today. :)

[blondie1985]

whoo hoo!

[frainfam]

I got my trade longies today! :)

[mayasmommie]

pming you mom.

[Dana]

Still haven't heard from Dava about the $10 payment she owes to the WAHMNation congo

[Dana]

Anyone heard from Dava?

[r_raff_lm]

I see her on the board almost every night, but I don't think she's been posting.

[megameg]

I see her on the board almost every night, but I don't think she's been posting.


Oh, you mean like how she's online now? :err:

[MRBLayaw]

Oh, you mean like how she's online now? :err:
:shakehead:

[crochetfrog]

I've pm'd Dana about the payment.

I've been so emotionally drained lately due to some family drama that I've just not been in the mood to post.

[blondie1985]

I just have to say that this was all handled SO incredibly well. :loveshower:

[Dana]

I've pm'd Dana about the payment.

I've been so emotionally drained lately due to some family drama that I've just not been in the mood to post.

Dava did contact me about the payment but is still unable to make the $10 payment at this time
she says she will stay in contact

[Mom]

Dava, we have a problem.

I just received this pm (posted with permission)

I ordered a custom for my daughter to wear for her first Christmas (in 2007, see, I told you it was old) from CrochetFrog on HC and after lengthy delays and battles through PP, I won the dispute. I NEVER got a dime back from her or the item because she changed her PP account and had no money left in the one that we had been dealing with. So...that was that....I was out forty some bucks and have nothing to show for it.

About a year ago, I had some yarn for sale on Spots and she messaged me about a trade, apparently forgetting who I was. I messaged her back that I wasn't interested in trading with her, but I would love for her to make good on our earlier situation....and gave her a chance to make things right....and no more responses came from her.


Now I know this was a long time ago, but you owe this person $44.61 and you even ended up selling her longies.

I cannot in good faith allow you to sell on this board at all while you still have stuff like this coming to me.

How would you like to handle this?

[kwootten2]

:looky:

[army mommy of 5]

This is sucktastic :(

[grace_n_josie]

:twitch:

[~Isme~]

:shakehead:

[Holly Golightly]

Oh dear. :(

[Shopaholic]

I like you, Dava, but I think you have a long history of "robbing Peter to pay Paul" (i.e. generating sales to pay for the items you need to make from previous purchases) that it would be easy for things to run away from you - lke selling these custom longies to pay for materials to make orders for new customers. Its bound to keep catching up with you.

[Lacey]

:twitch:



:ban:

[BeccatheGreat]

ITA with Kelly. You need to make this right, the right way.

[randareena]

:shakehead:

[kwootten2]

Still haven't heard from Dava about the $10 payment she owes to the WAHMNation congo

Dava did contact me about the payment but is still unable to make the $10 payment at this time
she says she will stay in contact

I'm just now noticing this post- did this ever get resolved?

[Amber]

yikes!

[melirod]

Wow! :(

[nini02]

:sigh:

[Mom]

I was just reminded of this pm I got on Tuesady, ( I forgot about it :hide:)

The other party being talked about is Dava

On April 14th, I agreed to a trade for a pair of shorties for $32. The other party was to order $32 worth of items from my Etsy. They placed an order that night for $38 (both sides not including shipping). She PM'd me "Ok I've got 6 in my cart...total is 35.30...I'll owe you 3.30. Unless you'd like a mama headband to make up for it. They're 3.50. WDYT?" before she placed the order, but I wasn't on to respond so she added another pad, submitted the order.

I responded back that I didn't use mama headbands, and asked to be Paypal'd the difference since she offered it in her PM. She didn't respond, so I PM'd her again a few days later. At this point I realized (from looking through her other posts) that she might not have the money, so I asked if she wanted to make some infant headbands for my newborn instead. She agreed, and I last heard from her on the 19th. I have sent her a few PMs since then, and she HAS been online. Meanwhile, my part of the trade was shipped on the 15th and delivered on the 19th.


As of yet, Dava you haven't answered her pm, and you've been on.

I have to admit I'm really disgusted at this point.

[Jenga]

:sigh:

[AJ'sMama]

:shake:

[Lolanae]

:sad:

[JustJessica411]

I haven't seen posts from Dava lately, are we sure everything is ok?

Not making excuses for her, but just thought I would play Devil's Advocate...

[Jenga]

I haven't seen posts from Dava lately, are we sure everything is ok?

Not making excuses for her, but just thought I would play Devil's Advocate...


these are incidents in a loooong history of similar ones. :(

[*Elf*]

I haven't seen posts from Dava lately, are we sure everything is ok?

Not making excuses for her, but just thought I would play Devil's Advocate...

She was on yesterday at 2 AM.

[Shopaholic]

it says she's on right now.... so maybe she'll come and answer.

[JustJessica411]

Oh well then I'll open mouth and insert foot now then :blush:

[Rocket Queen]

:sigh: A big thank you to Mom for keeping us updated even though it's a huge bummer.

[CountryBarbie225]

Wow.....Now I am glad that I have ignored her responses to my ISO for YYMN slots...

[mama2myangels09]

Sure doesn't seem like she's interested in fixing this to me.......she was reading this thread and then was searching the forums and then logged out?? :shakehead:

[snookemz]

Sure doesn't seem like she's interested in fixing this to me.......she was reading this thread and then was searching the forums and then logged out?? :shakehead:


that is SOO messed up

[Mom]

Sure doesn't seem like she's interested in fixing this to me.......she was reading this thread and then was searching the forums and then logged out?? :shakehead:

She has actually been in contact with me via PM. She's told me that she will make right on all these. She should have contacted some people via pm, and the one from years ago, she said she'd pay back, even if she could only do it a little at a time.

Would the parties involved please keep me updated and this thread if you want to out yourselves, if not I'll update here as you update me.

Thanks.

[mama2myangels09]

She has actually been in contact with me via PM. She's told me that she will make right on all these. She should have contacted some people via pm, and the one from years ago, she said she'd pay back, even if she could only do it a little at a time.

Would the parties involved please keep me updated and this thread if you want to out yourselves, if not I'll update here as you update me.

Thanks.

Ahhh, thanks.

[Rocket Queen]

That's a relief. Thanks for the update, Mom.

[MotherMoonPads]

She has actually been in contact with me via PM. She's told me that she will make right on all these. She should have contacted some people via pm, and the one from years ago, she said she'd pay back, even if she could only do it a little at a time.

Would the parties involved please keep me updated and this thread if you want to out yourselves, if not I'll update here as you update me.

Thanks.

She PM'd me and said she will send my shorties and the difference in concealed cash tomorrow.

[Cootie Queen]

:sigh: I guess I won't be trading with her now.

[miau]

She PM'd me and said she will send my shorties and the difference in concealed cash tomorrow.

"Concealed cash"? That has bad idea written all over it...

[kwootten2]

Yeah, that's a very valid point- paypal would be safer for both sides, so there's a solid record of cash sent and received with no wiggle room.

[elabela]

"well I put the money in the envelope, it ust have gotten ripped open and stolen on the way there". bad bad bad idea.

[BeccatheGreat]

Concealed cash? PP would be so much better!

[Shopaholic]

I'm thinking the idea is that she's using family cash b/c the money is not in paypal. If its being sent with an item in the package it'll prob ably arrive okay. Cash in an envelope wouldn't be okay b/c it could easily be taken out. The only danger to that is there is no paper trail.

[Amber]

I'm thinking the idea is that she's using family cash b/c the money is not in paypal. If its being sent with an item in the package it'll prob ably arrive okay. Cash in an envelope wouldn't be okay b/c it could easily be taken out. The only danger to that is there is no paper trail.

yea. until said package gets "lost". that would suck

[mama Ra]

this is sad.....if you can't handel the buisness.....stop. Don't screw people over! :sigh: There are pleanty of other WAHM's that could use the buisness and treat you fairly.

[MotherMoonPads]

"Concealed cash"? That has bad idea written all over it...

Agreed...

I'm thinking the idea is that she's using family cash b/c the money is not in paypal. If its being sent with an item in the package it'll prob ably arrive okay. Cash in an envelope wouldn't be okay b/c it could easily be taken out. The only danger to that is there is no paper trail.

and agreed. But what else can I do besides take what she's willing to offer?

[Shopaholic]

Agreed...



and agreed. But what else can I do besides take what she's willing to offer?


Yeah I don't know.

[*Elf*]

If she puts the cash in and envelope and then safety pins it inside the longies/shorties, it should be fine.

[symphony of pixels]

Wouldn't a postal service money order be safer?

[mayasmom25]

this is sad.....if you can't handel the buisness.....stop. Don't screw people over! :sigh: There are pleanty of other WAHM's that could use the buisness and treat you fairly.

I agree.

[Jenga]

this is sad.....if you can't handel the buisness.....stop. Don't screw people over! :sigh: There are pleanty of other WAHM's that could use the buisness and treat you fairly.

see that would make sense, right? Sadly Dava has had several years of these problems. No offense to Dava but really, if no one purchased from WAHMs like this then they'd learn their lesson.

[MotherMoonPads]

see that would make sense, right? Sadly Dava has had several years of these problems. No offense to Dava but really, if no one purchased from WAHMs like this then they'd learn their lesson.

I'll admit that I saw this thread before agreeing to the trade. BUT so many people were talking about how well she did at making it right and she seemed really accepted on the boards, so I thought maybe the issues were in the past :sigh:

[miau]

If a name is in orange, it means there is reason to be wary.

[MyThreeMiracles]

I'm not involved in this at all, but I think it would be reasonable to ask her for a money order instead of 'concealed cash.' You can get one at the PO, any gas stations, walmart...etc etc and they are cheap and secure.

[miau]

Yes, a receipt would be nice. It is just too easy for this to go "lost" on its way there.

[mama2myangels09]

I'm not involved in this at all, but I think it would be reasonable to ask her for a money order instead of 'concealed cash.' You can get one at the PO, any gas stations, walmart...etc etc and they are cheap and secure.

Agree with this. I've seen MO's as cheap as 10 cents

[Deadbeat Daddy]

Wow.....Now I am glad that I have ignored her responses to my ISO for YYMN slots...

gosh, me too :twitch:

I'll admit that I saw this thread before agreeing to the trade. BUT so many people were talking about how well she did at making it right and she seemed really accepted on the boards, so I thought maybe the issues were in the past :sigh:

Yeah I've been wavering on possibly doing a trade with her, she asked about a trade for pads. I'm glad I didn't but I'm sorry you did :hugs: And I would definitely ask for a postal Money Order just to be safe!

If a name is in orange, it means there is reason to be wary.

Not true for everyone! I've done trades and bought from mamaofmany and she has never let me down. We've had probably 5 or 6 transactions in the last 3 months.

[miau]

Yes, people can turn over a new leaf, but I stand by my statement that people are orange for a reason.

[Jenga]

Mamaofmany made me gorgeous longies via the CDN Vbay thing :)

[~*Rachael*~]

I was reading this thread manliy bc Dava was over at the HC forums posting about trades and selling in WAHM Wares and i was trying to figure out what was going on here when i saw this:




Not true for everyone! I've done trades and bought from mamaofmany and she has never let me down. We've had probably 5 or 6 transactions in the last 3 months.

Mamaofmany made me gorgeous longies via the CDN Vbay thing :)

and i just wanted to say thank you both of you! :D :wub:
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Forgot to ask if anyone has let HC know about this??

[Danni]

I do agree with what Lianne said, that orange is there to forwarn any of you that there have been issues in the past, if that person has turned over a new leaf then great. So I do see what some of you are saying. However, I firmly believe that those whose problems were an ongoing thing over a lot of time should never have the orange taken off of their name. I also think that if it continues to happen they should be banned from any B/S.T'ing, but that is just my opinion.

[Sanity]

Wouldn't a postal service money order be safer?

That's what I'd do. It's .50 to purchase at the grocery store

[Amber]

I do agree with what Lianne said, that orange is there to forwarn any of you that there have been issues in the past, if that person has turned over a new leaf then great. So I do see what some of you are saying. However, I firmly believe that those whose problems were an ongoing thing over a lot of time should never have the orange taken off of their name. I also think that if it continues to happen they should be banned from any B/S.T'ing, but that is just my opinion.

i agree iwth this.

i no longer do any transactions iwth anyone that is orange.

[Messy]

So... Can someone just be completely banned from B/S/T'ing on CDN? Her screwing people over from here is going to give CDN a bad rep. I HATE to read about someone entering into a transaction that goes bad but originated here... Let alone a bunch of them.
If there is a poster child for trying out a B/S/T ban, Dava might be it.

[_melody_]

gosh, me too :twitch:



Yeah I've been wavering on possibly doing a trade with her, she asked about a trade for pads. I'm glad I didn't but I'm sorry you did :hugs: And I would definitely ask for a postal Money Order just to be safe!



Not true for everyone! I've done trades and bought from mamaofmany and she has never let me down. We've had probably 5 or 6 transactions in the last 3 months.

Just because somebody has never let YOU down, doesn't mean that there is any reason to completely disregard the fact that they are orange. It's easy to think that just because somebody appears to be nice that they would never hurt you, but that is not always the case. Especially somebody who is permanently orange, because we gave them the benefit of the doubt once and then it turned out that they STILL didn't meet their obligations and we had to start all over again working to straighten things out.

There are people whose names were orange at one time and they worked to make things right and waited through a probationary period until they were allowed to no longer be orange. Then there are people who were given a second chance and abused that privilege. Those people know that they are one step away from being banned altogether, and since they are already banned from multiple other boards it is in their best interests to make sure that they do not fall back into their former habits. That doesn't guarantee that they won't fall back though, and it is important to consider their orange status before entering into transactions with them. It typically means that WE would most likely avoid doing business with them.

So... Can someone just be completely banned from B/S/T'ing on CDN? Her screwing people over from here is going to give CDN a bad rep. I HATE to read about someone entering into a transaction that goes bad but originated here... Let alone a bunch of them.
If there is a poster child for trying out a B/S/T ban, Dava might be it.

Dava has already HAD a B/S/T ban. We then loosened her restrictions slightly due to her family's hardship and she is currently supposed to only sell things which were made for their own personal use. She is not allowed to post WAHM items for sale at this time, although she has repeatedly asked to have that privilege restored. I am not sure what kind of restrictions will result from this latest round of issues, but we will certainly be addressing the fact that this is an ongoing problem with her.

[MotherMoonPads]

Just because somebody has never let YOU down, doesn't mean that there is any reason to completely disregard the fact that they are orange. It's easy to think that just because somebody appears to be nice that they would never hurt you, but that is not always the case. Especially somebody who is permanently orange, because we gave them the benefit of the doubt once and then it turned out that they STILL didn't meet their obligations and we had to start all over again working to straighten things out.

There are people whose names were orange at one time and they worked to make things right and waited through a probationary period until they were allowed to no longer be orange. Then there are people who were given a second chance and abused that privilege. Those people know that they are one step away from being banned altogether, and since they are already banned from multiple other boards it is in their best interests to make sure that they do not fall back into their former habits. That doesn't guarantee that they won't fall back though, and it is important to consider their orange status before entering into transactions with them. It typically means that WE would most likely avoid doing business with them.



Dava has already HAD a B/S/T ban. We then loosened her restrictions slightly due to her family's hardship and she is currently supposed to only sell things which were made for their own personal use. She is not allowed to post WAHM items for sale at this time, although she has repeatedly asked to have that privilege restored. I am not sure what kind of restrictions will result from this latest round of issues, but we will certainly be addressing the fact that this is an ongoing problem with her.

How do you know if someone is permanent or temporarily orange?

[_melody_]

How do you know if someone is permanent or temporarily orange?

Well, if they are orange at all, there is a problem there, so you should pretty much assume that they are all permanent until such time as we take it off. We understand that people get in over their heads sometimes, so the orange thing is an attempt to let them recover from something like that and rebuild their reputations. If they continue to have problems the orange will not come off and if we have to put it back on after it has come off once, it's pretty much permanent.

You can tell when they were first made orange by checking The Hot Seat for threads and reading them carefully before you decide to do business with somebody who is orange. That will also give you an indication that the orange is permanent, if it has been there for a very long time. Orange people who had transaction issues always end up with a thread here.

There are a small handful of people who are orange who didn't really have transaction issues so much as issues with their workmanship. The warning under their names says to check their workmanship rather than B/S/T with Caution. Those people are mostly very low post count members and may not have a thread here since they are not necessarily trying to be deceptive, they may just need to work on improving their crafting skills. I'm not sure I have every seen any of them come back after they were told there were issues with their work either, so that may be a moot point.

[MotherMoonPads]

Thank you for the explanation :)

[nkotbfan]

Not true for everyone! I've done trades and bought from mamaofmany and she has never let me down. We've had probably 5 or 6 transactions in the last 3 months.

I agree! I am in the middle of a trade with her now and I have no reason to be wary. She is knitting something up for me now and keeps in constant contact. I even suggested that Cowgirlmama deal with her too. She hasn't let me down so far. People can and do make things right sometimes!

[nkotbfan]

She is posting a bunch of stuff on Spots now......

just sayin'

[erinbeth]

She is posting a bunch of stuff on Spots now......

just sayin'
:shakehead:

[Shopaholic]

actually, two pairs of longies she listed is stuff she bought from me for less than what she's selling it for.
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I think the brown ones were FFS if I remember correctly and the blue were like $7ppd.... I know it shouldn't be a big deal, but that stuff bugs me.

[snookemz]

ugh can I get a link to her spots so I avoid it?

[Rocket Queen]

actually, two pairs of longies she listed is stuff she bought from me for less than what she's selling it for.
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I think the brown ones were FFS if I remember correctly and the blue were like $7ppd.... I know it shouldn't be a big deal, but that stuff bugs me.

WoWwwwwwwwwwww. :shakehead:

[Shopaholic]

her name is on it. she's not being secretive or anything.

[Deadbeat Daddy]

:hide: gosh, sorry Mel

[snookemz]

her name is on it. she's not being secretive or anything.


I found it - I'm just horrible and looking for people on spots. There HAS to be something I'm missing. I just hunted down brown longies

[symphony of pixels]

So all the talk on her husband getting a second job, or her getting a job was just that, talk?! Like to know how they're affording that new house now, if $5 shipping is too much to pay.

[Tamatha278]

I just want to say Thank You to Mom and all the mods for, once again, watching out for the rest of us!! I was browsing HC and saw some really cute stuff. But then I saw that it was Dava's, and knew from being here that I didn't necessarily want to mess with that. So you saved me from potentially being part of the complaints here. Thank you!!!

[Jenga]

so, I'm honestly not being snarky or trying to tell anyone how to do their jobs but... when is it enough? when is it enough to warrant a ban? hasn't she shown that she can't be trusted?

[Shopaholic]

I found it - I'm just horrible and looking for people on spots. There HAS to be something I'm missing. I just hunted down brown longies

they were there last night. Just Ducky brown longies and then blue ones that looked like blue jeans.

[Mom]

so, I'm honestly not being snarky or trying to tell anyone how to do their jobs but... when is it enough? when is it enough to warrant a ban? hasn't she shown that she can't be trusted?

We know when it's enough. And when it's enough y'all will know too. :hugegrin:

[Jenga]

Sam I trust your judgment. I really do. I wish more new people would pay attention to her user name and why it's orange. It's not for decoration. :(

[Mom]

Sam I trust your judgment. I really do. I wish more new people would pay attention to her user name and why it's orange. It's not for decoration. :(

No doubt. No doubt.

And then when someone becomes orange. I usually have about 5+ more people come to me and say, oh well I had this happen with this person.

Please people, tell me when it happens you may think it's a fluke, but it may not be.

[Jenga]

No doubt. No doubt.

And then when someone becomes orange. I usually have about 5+ more people come to me and say, oh well I had this happen with this person.

Please people, tell me when it happens you may think it's a fluke, but it may not be.

Yeah, I don't get that. On the same token, people not leaving FB or leaving falsely neutral or negative FB because they don't want to be mean... it screws the rest over!

[Shopaholic]

Yeah, I don't get that. On the same token, people not leaving FB or leaving falsely neutral or negative FB because they don't want to be mean... it screws the rest over!

oh yeah..
"She seems so nice though" Um.. she STOLE your money!

"She claimed a famly emergency" Um.. she STOLE your money!!

"She's had all positive feedback" Um.. she STOLE your money!!!!!!!

"I feel bad leaving her negative" Dude.. she's a theif!!! She STOLE your money!!!


(these are just hypotheticals)

[_melody_]

oh yeah..
"She seems so nice though" Um.. she STOLE your money!

"She claimed a famly emergency" Um.. she STOLE your money!!

"She's had all positive feedback" Um.. she STOLE your money!!!!!!!

"I feel bad leaving her negative" Dude.. she's a theif!!! She STOLE your money!!!


(these are just hypotheticals)

Quite true. Just because you like someone doesn't mean they won't take advantage of you. A scammer wouldn't be very successful if people DIDN'T like them. They count on that!

Also, if they are orange, it is because we have good reason to suggest that they may not be somebody you should do business with. Sure, they may tell you that we made them orange just because we don't like them, but I am telling you now, THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN! Liking or not liking has nothing to do with it at all. If somebody tells you that is why they are orange, don't believe it. Read the threads here in The Hot Seat and you will see for yourself why they are orange. It's all in the threads.

[Sanity]

So all the talk on her husband getting a second job, or her getting a job was just that, talk?! Like to know how they're affording that new house now, if $5 shipping is too much to pay.

IIRC, she's moving into her Mom's house, because her mom's house was bigger and her mom got left her grandmother's house in her will. At least that's what she was saying