Kimanalynn Please Join us here

[supergirljennie]

She looking it up in PP... She was advised to stay out of the thread. She's dealing with Elf on yim.

[shaynelemaster]

that's odd that she would be asked to stay out of the thread since she's involved

[luvmykiddoes]

She looking it up in PP... She was advised to stay out of the thread. She's dealing with Elf on yim.
Who would advise her to stay out of the thread? If it's admin or another mod on DS, then why wouldn't they tell you to do the same??? Not being snarky, just genuinely confused!

[erinbeth]

that's odd that she would be asked to stay out of the thread since she's involved
That's what I was thinking???

[*Elf*]

I advised Jonita to refund any of the mamas from DS mediation that paid her shipping costs that I had covered on Kimanalynn's behalf.

I did it because I felt bad for the mamas that had been scammed and didn't want them to pay any extra more than they had to.

If anyone should pay me it should be Kimanalynn since that was who I thought I was paying it for.

[LadyLiz]

Who would advise her to stay out of the thread? If it's admin or another mod on DS, then why wouldn't they tell you to do the same??? Not being snarky, just genuinely confused!
And if it is an Admin or mod at DS, may I ask why they are trying to police CDN? :err:

Mood: wondering

[shaynelemaster]

I advised Jonita to refund any of the mamas from DS mediation that paid her shipping costs that I had covered on Kimanalynn's behalf.

I did it because I felt bad for the mamas that had been scammed and didn't want them to pay any extra more than they had to.

If anyone should pay me it should be Kimanalynn since that was who I thought I was paying it for.


okay, so you paid/lent Jo the money to get the wronged people their stuff back, Jo got the stuff in her possession and then charged shipping to the people who were wronged to get their stuff back so , Jo was paid 2 times to ship items.

that was a nice gesture to offer to help but , im afraid you were just taken advantage of too .

[*Elf*]

okay, so you paid/lent Jo the money to get the wronged people their stuff back, Jo got the stuff in her possession and then charged shipping to the people who were wronged to get their stuff back so , Jo was paid 2 times to ship items.

that was a nice gesture to offer to help but , im afraid you were just taken advantage of too .

I can take the hit if thats the case, some of these mamas can't.
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okay, so you paid/lent Jo the money to get the wronged people their stuff back, Jo got the stuff in her possession and then charged shipping to the people who were wronged to get their stuff back so , Jo was paid 2 times to ship items.

that was a nice gesture to offer to help but , im afraid you were just taken advantage of too .

sorry meant to comment on more, my brain isn't working.

I gifted it to her so she wouldn't be out shipping money and also so that the mamas wouldn't either

I have no knowledge of what went on between any of the other participants. Well excluding Isaacsmommy cause we are friends.

[mommyof8]

I advised Jonita to refund any of the mamas from DS mediation that paid her shipping costs that I had covered on Kimanalynn's behalf.

I did it because I felt bad for the mamas that had been scammed and didn't want them to pay any extra more than they had to.

If anyone should pay me it should be Kimanalynn since that was who I thought I was paying it for.


so just so I (and I hope everyone else) understands this...

YOU paid $35.00 to Jonita to cover the shipping cost from Kimanalynn to Jo.

Jo was then paid shipping for that from the DS members whose items she recovered.

That money was NOT forwarded to you as reimbursement when received by Jo from the Ds members.

And at this point you have instructed Jo to refund any of that money back to the DS members...

So ultimately Kimanalynn owes you $35 for shipping the package to Jo.

And Jo owes whatever DS members paid her shipping a refund of that money.

Right??

[formunkyfrommommy]

gosh what a mess i really hope the people who deserve their money back get it because this is rediculous

[*Elf*]

so just so I (and I hope everyone else) understands this...

YOU paid $35.00 to Jonita to cover the shipping cost from Kimanalynn to Jo.

Jo was then paid shipping for that from the DS members whose items she recovered.

That money was NOT forwarded to you as reimbursement when received by Jo from the Ds members.

And at this point you have instructed Jo to refund any of that money back to the DS members...

So ultimately Kimanalynn owes you $35 for shipping the package to Jo.

And Jo owes whatever DS members paid her shipping a refund of that money.

Right??

Yes that sounds right.

It was thought that I had been reimbursed but upon looking through PP realized I had not.

[cowboycadesmomma]

:helpflag: :popcorn2: Very lost.....
*this is a clueless couch* :toofunny:

[RowBabyRow]

This shipping thing is giving me a headache and I'm not even involved! I don't get it, did it cost Amanda $35 (which Elf covered) to ship to Jo? Or is Jo local to Amanda and the $35 was meant to cover shipping to all the other mamas involved?

[LadyLiz]

:helpflag: :popcorn2: Very lost.....
*this is a clueless couch* :toofunny:
I think for the first time in my life on this board. I belong on that couch. :err:

Mood: :toofunny::toofunny:

[shaynelemaster]

:helpflag: :popcorn2: Very lost.....
*this is a clueless couch* :toofunny:

got room for one more ?:toofunny:

i wish i was totally clueless on this one ..

[mommyof8]

This shipping thing is giving me a headache and I'm not even involved! I don't get it, did it cost Amanda $35 (which Elf covered) to ship to Jo? Or is Jo local to Amanda and the $35 was meant to cover shipping to all the other mamas involved?


no they are not local. it cost amanda $35 to ship to jo and elf covered it.

[icanonlyimagine]

yeah I was told I should keep out because it wasnt about me, but now it is. and I'd just like to say thanks!

however yes, first Jennie paid to ship all the stuff to me. Elf offered to pay for it, so she sent me the $ and I in turn sent the $ to Jennie. that was very nice of Elf. I tried to get some more $ out of the people who were included in the box and only a couple actually paid, and a couple more flat out refused to help pay for the box to get to me. Kathy paid $7 on top of the actual shipping cost to Steph, and April from CC paid an extra $5, and since I just went back and looked at my pp history I see that purseaddict also paid an extra $5, I honestly didnt remember that one, and I swear I thought I sent $12 to Elf and the only reason I went back in my pp history was to "proove" that, but it turns out I was wrong. I have every intention of paying those mamas back so Kathy, April, and purseaddict can expect a "gift" at the end of the month when I get paid. you can poke me you can pm every day if you like. but truly honestly I really thought I already sent it to Elf, but like I said I looked in my pp history and I know in fact I did not, and really aplogize for this. please dont let me forget again.

I have tried several SEVERAL times to yim Amanda, with no response, and I have tried once to email with no response. I am not in any conversations with Amanda. in fact she even took me off her facebook friends list again. not that any of this matters, just so those who were curious know that I am not "in" anything with her. mine was a completly honest oversight that will not take months to resolve

[*Elf*]

no they are not local. it cost amanda $35 to ship to jo and elf covered it.

yes this

[Sakura]

Oh geese!

[LadyLiz]

Oh geese!
S naked. :lmao:

Mood: lightening the mood :lmao:

[RowBabyRow]

Ok, so ultimately, Amanda owes Elf $35 for shipping (unless Elf has gifted that) and whatever else happened is an issue between Jo and the other ladies that had chipped in to cover the $35 separately, correct?

[shaynelemaster]

yeah I was told I should keep out because it wasnt about me, but now it is. and I'd just like to say thanks!

however yes, first Jennie paid to ship all the stuff to me. Elf offered to pay for it, so she sent me the $ and I in turn sent the $ to Jennie. that was very nice of Elf. I tried to get some more $ out of the people who were included in the box and only a couple actually paid, and a couple more flat out refused to help pay for the box to get to me. Kathy paid $7 on top of the actual shipping cost to Steph, and April from CC paid an extra $5, and since I just went back and looked at my pp history I see that purseaddict also paid an extra $5, I honestly didnt remember that one, and I swear I thought I sent $12 to Elf and the only reason I went back in my pp history was to "proove" that, but it turns out I was wrong. I have every intention of paying those mamas back so Kathy, April, and purseaddict can expect a "gift" at the end of the month when I get paid. you can poke me you can pm every day if you like. but truly honestly I really thought I already sent it to Elf, but like I said I looked in my pp history and I know in fact I did not, and really aplogize for this. please dont let me forget again.

I have tried several SEVERAL times to yim Amanda, with no response, and I have tried once to email with no response. I am not in any conversations with Amanda. in fact she even took me off her facebook friends list again. not that any of this matters, just so those who were curious know that I am not "in" anything with her. mine was a completly honest oversight that will not take months to resolve

it is not ABOUT you , but you are involved and have always been involved..

[_melody_]

it is quite interesting :toofunny:

goes off topic a few times but all in all its cool
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okay I think that was the wrong smilie, sorry, not used to the smilies yet

All threads at CDN eventually go off topic. :giggle: This one has been remarkably single minded up until this point, but once the business is out of the way, well, it'll be fowl. (Yeah, I had to go there. HONK!) :pbbt:

yeah I was told I should keep out because it wasnt about me, but now it is. and I'd just like to say thanks!


I am not sure who told you to stay out of the thread, but I want to assure you that all interested parties are welcome. We're glad to have you here, and glad that you all are able to work through all these issues. We find that working through these things like this is very helpful to getting issues resolved and friendships mended. We also make a lot of new friends ourselves, and that's always nice. :loveshower:

[icanonlyimagine]

I didnt know there was even an issue with me until tonight, and trust me friendships are NOT getting mended on my end

[Deadbeat Daddy]

All threads at CDN eventually go off topic. :giggle: This one has been remarkably single minded up until this point, but once the business is out of the way, well, it'll be fowl. (Yeah, I had to go there. HONK!) :pbbt:


:toofunny:

[LadyLiz]

All threads at CDN eventually go off topic. :giggle: This one has been remarkably single minded up until this point, but once the business is out of the way, well, it'll be fowl. (Yeah, I had to go there. HONK!) :pbbt:

Forget about fowl and honking. Must remember the naked. :lmao:

Mood: :lmao::pbbt:

[supergirljennie]

I think it was an honest mistake on Jo's part.

Basically it boils down to that Amanda owes Elf $35 for shipping one package to Jo.

[mamatoblessings]

it is not ABOUT you , but you are involved and have always been involved..

Yep, had to jump in here and agree w/Shayne on this one. I heard the same sad story from Jo MONTHS ago that she just now posted that she was NOT in contact w/Amanda, hadn't heard from her, hadn't had any e-mails or PMs returned, but yet she somehow managed to be in contact w/her to get this box of yarn shipped from Amanda to straighten it out??? I trust Jo as far as I can throw her at this point. We were all friends, but apparently Amanda wasn't the only one throwing a line of bull around. I flat out asked Jo at one point after all of this mess w/Amanda started if they were still friends, still talking. She told me point blank NO, she did not have ANY contact with her.

As for the rest of the story w/Amanda, I hope it all gets straightened out. I don't really know what to say about all that. We were friends, I tried to be a listening ear and advise her to just do the right thing and do whatever she could to make things right with people when this first started. I told her to send whatever she could to people, I told her to send yarn as repayment if people would accept it. Obviously she loved her yarn more than she wanted to set things right. It saddens me to say that, but I think it's true. I haven't talked to her since she disappeared months ago. I do know for a fact that she was online during the time she says she wasn't. We all loved you Amanda, and would've helped you in any way we could I just don't understand why you didn't listen to any advice you were given before everything blew up out of control like it did. You saw it coming.

[Anna1345]

that's odd that she would be asked to stay out of the thread since she's involved

And if it is an Admin or mod at DS, may I ask why they are trying to police CDN? :err:

Mood: wondering




This......
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Yep, had to jump in here and agree w/Shayne on this one. I heard the same sad story from Jo MONTHS ago that she just now posted that she was NOT in contact w/Amanda, hadn't heard from her, hadn't had any e-mails or PMs returned, but yet she somehow managed to be in contact w/her to get this box of yarn shipped from Amanda to straighten it out??? I trust Jo as far as I can throw her at this point. We were all friends, but apparently Amanda wasn't the only one throwing a line of bull around. I flat out asked Jo at one point after all of this mess w/Amanda started if they were still friends, still talking. She told me point blank NO, she did not have ANY contact with her.

As for the rest of the story w/Amanda, I hope it all gets straightened out. I don't really know what to say about all that. We were friends, I tried to be a listening ear and advise her to just do the right thing and do whatever she could to make things right with people when this first started. I told her to send whatever she could to people, I told her to send yarn as repayment if people would accept it. Obviously she loved her yarn more than she wanted to set things right. It saddens me to say that, but I think it's true. I haven't talked to her since she disappeared months ago. I do know for a fact that she was online during the time she says she wasn't. We all loved you Amanda, and would've helped you in any way we could I just don't understand why you didn't listen to any advice you were given before everything blew up out of control like it did. You saw it coming.
I don't know Jo at all -- never even heard of her before today. I will say as an outsider following the story, it struck me as odd when she wrote "I tried to get some more $ out of the people who were included in the box" That was just really weird to me.

[supergirljennie]

Jo meant that she tried to get others who had yarn in the big package to contribute a portion for shipping to her. She wasn't trying to scam anyone. Simply a poor choice of words.

[_melody_]

I didnt know there was even an issue with me until tonight, and trust me friendships are NOT getting mended on my end

Well, perhaps not so much mended as in reconciliation as reaching a resolution for outstanding problems. Hopefully we will all have some new friends as well, and get to know each other better.

Forget about fowl and honking. Must remember the naked. :lmao:

Mood: :lmao::pbbt:

You can't get nekkid in the Hot Seat, Liz. You'll get a nasty burn on your sensitive spots. We'll be having to stick to birds, condiments and LOLcats out here, ya know? If things get exceptionally tense, we'll throw in a few demotivational posters too. :giggle:

[Sakura]

This......
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I don't know Jo at all -- never even heard of her before today. I will say as an outsider following the story, it struck me as odd when she wrote "I tried to get some more $ out of the people who were included in the box" That was just really weird to me.
You aren't the only who found it odd. I also find it odd that she is going to refund at the end of the month. Not that its my place to say as long as the other mamas are ok with it but it seems odd.

[marilynsp]

I can't wrap my head around all of this, but I do want to send out some kudos to the CDN admins and mod and everyone here for trying to get through this all as peacefully and amicably as possible. I'm quite impressed!

As you were... :)

[icanonlyimagine]

This......
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I don't know Jo at all -- never even heard of her before today. I will say as an outsider following the story, it struck me as odd when she wrote "I tried to get some more $ out of the people who were included in the box" That was just really weird to me.
lets say for instance I (or elf) paid to have your stuff shipped to me..... would you think it would be wierd for me to not only ask you to pay for shipping to get your stuff to you, but to also ask you if you could possibly contribute to reimburse me because if it wernt for me getting your stuff it may have be months longer if at all that you would have seen your stuff. its not like I tried to fanagle money, I asked them to contribute what they thought was fair, I didnt even give them a number I just said if you feel you can contribute then give me what you think is fair. and a few flat out refused (one in particular because her package was a lot bigger than any of the other packages) to pay a single penny more than actual shipping..... but I still shipped thier stuff. the only problem I have apparently is that I didnt send the $ to elf. I thought I did, and I didnt even know there was a problem till tonight, so think its wierd if you want thats fine, I was doing what I thought was right by trying to reimburse elf

[Sakura]

Jo meant that she tried to get others who had yarn in the big package to contribute a portion for shipping to her. She wasn't trying to scam anyone. Simply a poor choice of words.
To her? But why since Elf had already paid the shipping to her from Amanda. Doesn't make sense and it really doesn't paint Jo in a good light as far as that is concerned.
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lets say for instance I (or elf) paid to have your stuff shipped to me..... would you think it would be wierd for me to not only ask you to pay for shipping to get your stuff to you, but to also ask you if you could possibly contribute to reimburse me because if it wernt for me getting your stuff it may have be months longer if at all that you would have seen your stuff. its not like I tried to fanagle money, I asked them to contribute what they thought was fair, I didnt even give them a number I just said if you feel you can contribute then give me what you think is fair. and a few flat out refused (one in particular because her package was a lot bigger than any of the other packages) to pay a single penny more than actual shipping..... but I still shipped thier stuff. the only problem I have apparently is that I didnt send the $ to elf. I thought I did, and I didnt even know there was a problem till tonight, so think its wierd if you want thats fine, I was doing what I thought was right by trying to reimburse elf
Ok so Im ggetting that you asked them to pay shipping from you to them. Thats fine but why would you ask them to reimburse you shipping from Amanda to you if it was already paid for? Just trying to get the story straight.

[LadyLiz]

You can't get nekkid in the Hot Seat, Liz. You'll get a nasty burn on your sensitive spots. We'll be having to stick to birds, condiments and LOLcats out here, ya know? If things get exceptionally tense, we'll throw in a few demotivational posters too. :giggle:
Well, maybe I should not be getting naked in the hot seat, though I do like hot wax. :err: I am just not too interested in the drama today.

Mood: not helpful

[supergirljennie]

Contribute a portion of ship to her, in order to repay Elf. Originally the plan was for Amanda to ship the package to me, and I would divvy things out and ask if anyone would pay a portion of shipping to me. Things got a bit complicated with so many extra hands in the pot.

And I believe Jo is saying she will repay at the end of the month because that's when she will have the funds to do so.

[*Elf*]

To her? But why since Elf had already paid the shipping to her from Amanda. Doesn't make sense and it really doesn't paint Jo in a good light as far as that is concerned.
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Ok so Im ggetting that you asked them to pay shipping from you to them. Thats fine but why would you ask them to reimburse you shipping from Amanda to you if it was already paid for? Just trying to get the story straight.

I sent the money to Jonita after she had already messaged the mamas.

saacsmomma paid the extra 7.00 on Dec 7th at 19:27, I sent to Jonita on Dec 7th at 22:10

[RowBabyRow]

To her? But why since Elf had already paid the shipping to her from Amanda. Doesn't make sense and it really doesn't paint Jo in a good light as far as that is concerned.
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Ok so Im ggetting that you asked them to pay shipping from you to them. Thats fine but why would you ask them to reimburse you shipping from Amanda to you if it was already paid for? Just trying to get the story straight.
:yeahthat: Did Elf ask you to get $ for her?

[icanonlyimagine]

To her? But why since Elf had already paid the shipping to her from Amanda. Doesn't make sense and it really doesn't paint Jo in a good light as far as that is concerned.
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Ok so Im ggetting that you asked them to pay shipping from you to them. Thats fine but why would you ask them to reimburse you shipping from Amanda to you if it was already paid for? Just trying to get the story straight.

I sent the money to Jonita after she had already messaged the mamas.

saacsmomma paid the extra 7.00 on Dec 7th at 19:27, I sent to Jonita on Dec 7th at 22:10
the plan was that I would pay back Jennie whatever was paid extra to me because she was the one that originally paid for it, then elf stepped in and graciously offered to help us out since it was right before Christmas and that was somthing that she could do at the time. then the plan came to be that once everyone paid me for all thier stuff I would just pay elf any remaining..... and apparently I forgot :looky:

[*Elf*]

:yeahthat: Did Elf ask you to get $ for her?

No, why would I?

[RowBabyRow]

OK, I think I get it. Jo was attempting to get the money together for Amanda to ship to her? But did the shipping already happen? Who bought the shipping label- Jo, Elf, or Amanda?

[icanonlyimagine]

and yes the end of the month is when I will have money, but dh said he would look inthe morning and see if he can transfer some $ to my acct so I can get this done with (and if anyone knows my dh you'd know that this is a generous gesture on his part so I'm not going to get my hopes up about this $ till its in my acct)
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jennie orriginally paid for it, and elf paid me, I gave $ to jennie

[RowBabyRow]

No, why would I?

Nothing against you. Just trying to figure this mess out. I was basically just curious why she was attempting to collect extra money if you had already covered the shipping kwim?

[supergirljennie]

I bought the shipping label, but it was shipped to Jo. Amanda wouldn't deal with me at that point, though I had made the original offer.

[*Elf*]

OK, I think I get it. Jo was attempting to get the money together for Amanda to ship to her? But did the shipping already happen? Who bought the shipping label- Jo, Elf, or Amanda?

Supergirljennie bought the label and sent to Jonita

Jonita sent to Amanda

Amanda shipped the stuff to Jonita

Jonita messaged everyone who had stuff in the box and I assumed asked about them pitching in.

7 or 8ish Isaacsmomma paid Jonita shipping plus 7.00

9 or 10ish I sent Jonita the 35.00 so she wouldn't be out the money.

Clear as mud?

[icanonlyimagine]

I was trying to recoup money to pay back jennie before elf stepped in and paid. then that $ was suppposed to go to elf but I forgot................. are my messages being seen?

[*Elf*]

Nothing against you. Just trying to figure this mess out. I was basically just curious why she was attempting to collect extra money if you had already covered the shipping kwim?

Yup I know what you mean.

But me being snippy means I should probably go to bed before I say something I don't mean.

[RowBabyRow]

Ok, I'm going to go with what a PP said... flow chart? :giggle:

[_melody_]

I was trying to recoup money to pay back jennie before elf stepped in and paid. then that $ was suppposed to go to elf but I forgot................. are my messages being seen?

I'm seeing your messages. I also checked your permissions, and there does not appear to be any problem with them.

[RowBabyRow]

I was trying to recoup money to pay back jennie before elf stepped in and paid. then that $ was suppposed to go to elf but I forgot................. are my messages being seen?

That makes sense.

[TNB]

holy crap this whole thing is making me....
http://fresh.forumcircle.com/forumdata/data45/fresh/images/smiles/2198_splitting_headache.gif
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This is officially voted THE most confusing hot seat story unraveling *EVAH*

[Sakura]

holy crap this whole thing is making me....
http://fresh.forumcircle.com/forumdata/data45/fresh/images/smiles/2198_splitting_headache.gif
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This is officially voted THE most confusing hot seat story unraveling *EVAH*
I will second that. Not that it takes much to confuse me nowadays:twitch::toofunny:

[TNB]

I will second that. Not that it takes much to confuse me nowadays:twitch::toofunny:
:toofunny:

I swear I have reread a few of these posts attempting to explain the shipping mess and I might as well have been reading

klsdhfiagf eaiaighwpnv yepro puywh vnof oiuwn vwvshf AND THEN SHE sodin iigujn isu vnoig no oisd nvisj n...got it?

:twitch:



:lol:

[supergirljennie]

It makes me feel that way, and I know what is going on (mostly).

[LadyLiz]

:toofunny:

I swear I have reread a few of these posts attempting to explain the shipping mess and I might as well have been reading

klsdhfiagf eaiaighwpnv yepro puywh vnof oiuwn vwvshf AND THEN SHE sodin iigujn isu vnoig no oisd nvisj n...got it?

:twitch:



:lol:

Isn't that what we are reading? :toofunny:

Mood: :lol:

[Anna1345]

lets say for instance I (or elf) paid to have your stuff shipped to me..... would you think it would be wierd for me to not only ask you to pay for shipping to get your stuff to you, but to also ask you if you could possibly contribute to reimburse me because if it wernt for me getting your stuff it may have be months longer if at all that you would have seen your stuff. its not like I tried to fanagle money, I asked them to contribute what they thought was fair, I didnt even give them a number I just said if you feel you can contribute then give me what you think is fair. and a few flat out refused (one in particular because her package was a lot bigger than any of the other packages) to pay a single penny more than actual shipping..... but I still shipped thier stuff. the only problem I have apparently is that I didnt send the $ to elf. I thought I did, and I didnt even know there was a problem till tonight, so think its wierd if you want thats fine, I was doing what I thought was right by trying to reimburse elf
Actually it think it's odd that Kimanalynn would send the stuff to a third party who would then ship it to another person. I also think it's weird that another person (not you nor kimanalyn) paid for the shipping. I would also think it weird for these two other third parties participating (ie you and elf) for asking me to cover money to pay for my items to be sent to me that I was already scammed out of the money the first time. It's all just weird.

And I still don't understand all of the shipping stuff so I'm gonna think outloud for a sec...
elf pays to have items shipped to you
you pay for items to be shipped to rightful owners
you ask money for shipping to rightful owners (even though Elf didn't ask for that) AND to cover elf's cost to ship items to you
some contribute not only the money for shipping to themselves but also for elf
some only pay for their own shipping.

Is this correct?

Personally, if it were me and I was you or elf, and were willing to foot the shipping cost, I would have done it with ZERO expectation of ever seeing that money again. If I were doing it out of the goodness of my heart to help out scammed mama's, I wouldn't dare ask them to be out more money b/c I chose to become involved in a three way shipping extravaganza. But that's just me....
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"for asking me to cover money to pay for my items to be sent to me that I was already scammed out of the money the first time. It's all just weird."

"me" as in the hypothetical Jo just proposed. I am not involved in this IRL

[_melody_]

This is officially voted THE most confusing hot seat story unraveling *EVAH*

There have been a couple of other really confusing ones too. They all have one thing in common though. :teehee:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u300/melodyvh/nutz/woolpants.gif

[Anna1345]

Jo meant that she tried to get others who had yarn in the big package to contribute a portion for shipping to her. She wasn't trying to scam anyone. Simply a poor choice of words.
Perhaps

[LadyLiz]

There have been a couple of other really confusing ones too. They all have one thing in common though. :teehee:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u300/melodyvh/nutz/woolpants.gif
Forget the wool drama, I want the naked. :lol:

Mood: not helpful.

[shaynelemaster]

Actually it think it's odd that Kimanalynn would send the stuff to a third party who would then ship it to another person. I also think it's weird that another person (not you nor kimanalyn) paid for the shipping. I would also think it weird for these two other third parties participating (ie you and elf) for asking me to cover money to pay for my items to be sent to me that I was already scammed out of the money the first time. It's all just weird.

And I still don't understand all of the shipping stuff so I'm gonna think outloud for a sec...
elf pays to have items shipped to you
you pay for items to be shipped to rightful owners
you ask money for shipping to rightful owners (even though Elf didn't ask for that) AND to cover elf's cost to ship items to you
some contribute not only the money for shipping to themselves but also for elf
some only pay for their own shipping.

Is this correct?

Personally, if it were me and I was you or elf, and were willing to foot the shipping cost, I would have done it with ZERO expectation of ever seeing that money again. If I were doing it out of the goodness of my heart to help out scammed mama's, I wouldn't dare ask them to be out more money b/c I chose to become involved in a three way shipping extravaganza. But that's just me....
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"for asking me to cover money to pay for my items to be sent to me that I was already scammed out of the money the first time. It's all just weird."

"me" as in the hypothetical Jo just proposed. I am not involved in this IRL


from talking to elf and her posts above she did not ask for money in return .. best i can make of it..

[Anna1345]

Contribute a portion of ship to her, in order to repay Elf. Originally the plan was for Amanda to ship the package to me, and I would divvy things out and ask if anyone would pay a portion of shipping to me. Things got a bit complicated with so many extra hands in the pot.

And I believe Jo is saying she will repay at the end of the month because that's when she will have the funds to do so.
When did said shipping extravaganza occur???? And yes to the bolded -- it usually does but that is nothing new.

[supergirljennie]

It was me who originally proposed the plan. I offered to pay for shipping it all to me, because at that point all anyone wanted was to get their yarn back. Amanda said she had no money available for shipping, so that was the plan. At some point Amanda decided not to communicate with me anymore and was only responding to Jo, so that's where it went. I had the money and Jo didn't, so I paid. We had mentioned beforehand asking those involved to contribute to shipping to me (then Jo) costs, and those we spoke to were amiable to that.

For whatever reason, out of the kindness of Elf's heart, she decided to cover shipping, which she sent to Jo who forwarded it to me, as the money came out of my fund. Thus, any funds recouped would go to Elf.

It sounds much more complicated than it actually was, honestly.
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Clarified - Elf covered shipping after I had paid.

[Anna1345]

No, why would I?
That is the answer that makes it clear for me.
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Supergirljennie bought the label and sent to Jonita

Jonita sent to Amanda

Amanda shipped the stuff to Jonita

Jonita messaged everyone who had stuff in the box and I assumed asked about them pitching in.

7 or 8ish Isaacsmomma paid Jonita shipping plus 7.00

9 or 10ish I sent Jonita the 35.00 so she wouldn't be out the money.

Clear as mud?
Yup! Clear as mud....

[Sakura]

So to recap
Jennie is owed yarn to send to an auction winner
Erin is owed a refund of some sort for having to pay another knitter to fix Amandas mistake
Mommyof8 is owed a refund or yarn
Amanda owes Elf 35$ for shipping
I know there are more people involved so please feel free to add to it. It may be better if some type of list of everything is made so Amanda knows who to make amends to as this thread is extremely confusing.

[RowBabyRow]

It was me who originally proposed the plan. I offered to pay for shipping it all to me, because at that point all anyone wanted was to get their yarn back. Amanda said she had no money available for shipping, so that was the plan. At some point Amanda decided not to communicate with me anymore and was only responding to Jo, so that's where it went. I had the money and Jo didn't, so I paid. We had mentioned beforehand asking those involved to contribute to shipping to me (then Jo) costs, and those we spoke to were amiable to that.

For whatever reason, out of the kindness of Elf's heart, she decided to cover shipping, which she sent to Jo who forwarded it to me, as the money came out of my fund. Thus, any funds recouped would go to Elf.

It sounds much more complicated than it actually was, honestly.
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Clarified - Elf covered shipping after I had paid.
This is what I had previously missed, that you originally paid the shipping. It's much less confusing once that was explained. Basically, Amanda owes Elf $35 for shipping. That's what is relevant to this thread right?

[daisy0306]

oh my head....

[supergirljennie]

The auction winner said she was given a refund from the congo, so Amanda needs to get with the congo owner to figure out how to rectify that.
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This is what I had previously missed, that you originally paid the shipping. It's much less confusing once that was explained. Basically, Amanda owes Elf $35 for shipping. That's what is relevant to this thread right?

Exactly. That's all that matters.

[mamatoblessings]

I think your post explained it perfectly Jennie. It all would've make sense if Jo didn't end up getting paid twice and then spending the money in her PP account that she should've sent to Elf, who now has to wait for the end of the month to get the money that should've gone back to her when everyone paid for their yarn?? That part is what doesn't add up for me. I mean, I'm forgetful, but I would sure remember to pay someone back the money they lent me when I was printing out a shipping label to ship out the yarn on something like that.

[Anna1345]

the plan was that I would pay back Jennie whatever was paid extra to me because she was the one that originally paid for it, then elf stepped in and graciously offered to help us out since it was right before Christmas and that was somthing that she could do at the time. then the plan came to be that once everyone paid me for all thier stuff I would just pay elf any remaining..... and apparently I forgot :looky:

I was trying to recoup money to pay back jennie before elf stepped in and paid. then that $ was suppposed to go to elf but I forgot................. are my messages being seen?
Okay so there was or was not supposed to be extra (which I assume is from the mamas who got scammed), that you were going to ask from them to help, but did so on your own accord and not at the request of elf or jennie?

I just don't understand how one can be so involved in all this -- with trying to get stuff to rightful owners and such -- but NOT remember to send on any over payments scammed mamas gave to help defray other's shipping costs to the person who funded the shipping extravaganza???? Something is not right here.
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from talking to elf and her posts above she did not ask for money in return .. best i can make of it..
I am aware of that. However the hypothetical proposed to me by Jo was if "she or Elf" paid for my shipping. .....

[supergirljennie]

I had originally requested from those who knew the plan if they would be willing to contribute to shipping of the big box. Jo was making the attempts to collect on my behalf, originally, before Elf stepped in.

[Anna1345]

I think your post explained it perfectly Jennie. It all would've make sense if Jo didn't end up getting paid twice and then spending the money in her PP account that she should've sent to Elf, who now has to wait for the end of the month to get the money that should've gone back to her when everyone paid for their yarn?? That part is what doesn't add up for me. I mean, I'm forgetful, but I would sure remember to pay someone back the money they lent me when I was printing out a shipping label to ship out the yarn on something like that.
Ditto -- and for someone who was so hands on involved in this debacle.

[Lolanae]

Why are the really weird/crazy/insane/soap opera threads ALL linked back to friggin' YARN! :lol:

[supergirljennie]

Yarn brings out our inner crazy, I guess. It is hyena yarn, after all. :toofunny:

[Sakura]

Because yarn is the ebils! First it was diapers, then it was longies, now its yarn. It has come full circle.

[LadyLiz]

Why are the really weird/crazy/insane/soap opera threads ALL linked back to friggin' YARN! :lol:
:speechless::speechless: Cause Wool brings out the crazies.

Mood: helpful I think

[Sakura]

Well rather it will come full circle cus what else is there to get drama rific about?

[LadyLiz]

Well rather it will come full circle cus what else is there to get drama rific about?
The lack of nakedness? :toofunny:

Mood: really not helpful is surprised she has not gotten a lecture today. :toofunny:

[Catrinau]

What a trainwreck. I hope everyone can get their yarn/money/apology they need.

Btw ... :hide: I still want to see the wonky longies. Please? I'm just nosy like that.:looky:

[MooseDon'tWearDiapers]

This is a great lesson on why you should just be honest with people and not lie. What a clustermuck.

[rmbrasher]

I wanna see crazy longies too! (but btw, I've done that too - miscounted on my gusset and ended up with one leg bigger than the other. Wasn't paying a bit attention until I blocked the darn thing and then went 'CRAP'! and had to frog the whole mess.) But, anyway, it should have been easy to notice if it was blocked...

[mommyof8]

Im not sure if I did this right but this is the pic that Erin posted on DS mediation of the wacky longies....

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt322/erinkimberley17/HPIM4412.jpg

[kukukachoo]

wait- i think i missed something somewhere...can you guys repeat all of that? :lol:

[Jenny81]

Im not sure if I did this right but this is the pic that Erin posted on DS mediation of the wacky longies....

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt322/erinkimberley17/HPIM4412.jpg


Ok yeah, that's pretty evident. I know in crochet I've missed a stich before, but it was barely noticable - especially on.

[Shaineinok]

Im not sure if I did this right but this is the pic that Erin posted on DS mediation of the wacky longies....

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt322/erinkimberley17/HPIM4412.jpg

Yeah that's a big oops.

[Stephy]

I haven`t ready everything since going to bed last night but I can say that the marr haven scraps that came to me from (JO) came in flat rate box and tag paid was 11.00

[Jerae]

Wow...even I can see the difference and I usually can't. That's bad. :(

[mommyof8]

I haven`t ready everything since going to bed last night but I can say that the marr haven scraps that came to me from (JO) came in flat rate box and tag paid was 11.00


not that it really matters but I thought a FRB was like $9.85 before the price increase... wasnt it...

[supergirljennie]

There are ones that were $10.95.

[Shaineinok]

not that it really matters but I thought a FRB was like $9.85 before the price increase... wasnt it...

Depended on which box I think. Seems like the big rectangle was about that

[Stephy]

http://http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m243/stephy4632/DSC04082.jpg (http://[img]http//i106.photobucket.com/albums/m243/stephy4632/DSC04082.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

[*~*Amanda*~*]

wait- i think i missed something somewhere...can you guys repeat all of that? :lol:

:toofunny: dude you are not alone....

[Stephy]

after reading now it dosen`t matter but ya know this whole situation is a mess.


Hugs Erin they are way off

[BeccatheGreat]

I am so glad I"m not involved in this, I would be having seizures from my head spinning.

[MooseDon'tWearDiapers]

I really don't see what's wrong with those pants. :err:

[mommyof8]

http://http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m243/stephy4632/DSC04082.jpg (http://%5Bimg%5Dhttp//i106.photobucket.com/albums/m243/stephy4632/DSC04082.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)


That explains it, I was thinking online prices not in store!

thanks :)

[BuggaBuggaBoutique]

i personally remember , i was talking to Erin while she was floored on the way you acted Amanda. she was on YIM with me same time she was contacting you... it's my part in all this.. i was a friend of all so i heard everyone's side and took it all in , during the beginning with a very UN biased ear..


so with what i know about this.. that is not the truth, she made it clear to you and if im not mistaken posted pictures as well that the problem was width. and your reply basically was, you dont have time to mess with it


:yeahthat:

[BeccatheGreat]

One leg is a bit wider than the other.

[kmz3301]

I really don't see what's wrong with those pants. :err:

Me too.

[BuggaBuggaBoutique]

Oh my goodness. What a complete and utter mess. Amanda you are not being honest at all. Erin told you about the longies. She even posted it on the board that YOU created and we were all friends and members of. I was also on YIM with Erin when she got the longies and she was devastated. You tried to make it sound like Erin was nuts and that she was out of line for calling you out on them. The only way you are going to make things better is if you truely recognize you have done many people wrong, be honest, and then fix the problem.

While I don't have anymore problems with you myself, because you did finally send the longies to me, there are still so many that do. Please, do the right thing.


i remember her posting it there as well

[BeccatheGreat]

I really don't see what's wrong with those pants. :err:

Me too.


Look how much wider the right leg on the screen (so actually the left leg) is than the other.

[BuggaBuggaBoutique]

Yep, had to jump in here and agree w/Shayne on this one. I heard the same sad story from Jo MONTHS ago that she just now posted that she was NOT in contact w/Amanda, hadn't heard from her, hadn't had any e-mails or PMs returned, but yet she somehow managed to be in contact w/her to get this box of yarn shipped from Amanda to straighten it out??? I trust Jo as far as I can throw her at this point. We were all friends, but apparently Amanda wasn't the only one throwing a line of bull around. I flat out asked Jo at one point after all of this mess w/Amanda started if they were still friends, still talking. She told me point blank NO, she did not have ANY contact with her.

As for the rest of the story w/Amanda, I hope it all gets straightened out. I don't really know what to say about all that. We were friends, I tried to be a listening ear and advise her to just do the right thing and do whatever she could to make things right with people when this first started. I told her to send whatever she could to people, I told her to send yarn as repayment if people would accept it. Obviously she loved her yarn more than she wanted to set things right. It saddens me to say that, but I think it's true. I haven't talked to her since she disappeared months ago. I do know for a fact that she was online during the time she says she wasn't. We all loved you Amanda, and would've helped you in any way we could I just don't understand why you didn't listen to any advice you were given before everything blew up out of control like it did. You saw it coming.


this

[MooseDon'tWearDiapers]

Look how much wider the right leg on the screen (so actually the left leg) is than the other.

oooooh. yikes.

[jenniferjunniper]

Wow, what a shame on those longies, the colorway is just beautiful, but clearly, they are off. I mean, you would expect that from a new knitter, but that is just unacceptable.

[luvmykiddoes]

Me too.
the left leg is about 20 stitches wider than the right leg.

[BuggaBuggaBoutique]

It makes me feel that way, and I know what is going on (mostly).


me too!

[Isis]

Color me confused with the shipping but I am getting that items were shipped twice right.

once from amada to jo right

and then Jo...sent the yarn to the right people..thus shipping again. people sent her money to cover the ship plus elf who sent her 35 to cover the big box.

Going to say it but why should jo be out money to ship yarn back when she's trying to help out other mama's? I know they were scamed and shouldn't be out more but that's on Amanda not Jo to fix. Right?

The way I see it if i am getting everything right is elf paid for the big box and those that sent money to help with that their money should have been cerdited to the shipping from jo to them. and then a bill ass bill sent to amanda to cover it all!

I don't honestly think anyone should out shipping to get their items returned I believe that to be on amanda and if someone over paid than return it sounds like there was a lot of money going in and out of pp and easy to lose track of as well..i geuss never had that much myself.

amanda it sure is a mess and the mess is spilling over to mama's that tried to help you I hope you woman up and fix it sounds like tons of people need refunds sounds like you shouldn't be ordering more things.

[mommyof8]

Now I am really confused...stephy...that pic you posted. The date on the postage label appears to say JUNE 2009...nothing was sent to Jo until December...And from what i can see the return address under the paper is NOT jo's but the ship to address does appear to be yours.

Unless I am WAY off and totally not seeing what is on that box there is no way that box could have come from Jo to YOU in December of 09 when you already HAD the box since June of 09 from another mama w/ a zip code of 18434.

[Stephy]

just wanted to add that is the package size FRB Jo shipped in to me and the cost from Jo to me was 11.00 . but the pic I posted was not of her postage as I didn`t look and took a pic of the wrong label my falt I just wanted to show that yes they do cost 11 to ship that size frb.
why am I posting this because I am getting YIM`ed about it and its not even relevant

the pic is not the label from jo to me
that is the box size used and pic was to show that yes frb in that size are 11.00 and that is the size box i recieved from Jo there was about 2pounds of yarn I didn`t weigh the yarn but it was packed full of yarn
end of story

[Sanity]

Im not sure if I did this right but this is the pic that Erin posted on DS mediation of the wacky longies....

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt322/erinkimberley17/HPIM4412.jpg

That's pretty obvious....

[Sanity]

the left leg is about 20 stitches wider than the right leg.

You know, if you use stitch markers from the very beginning, I can't understand HOW you can end up with an uncentered gusset. If you place a marker at center front and center back, and then when you start the gusset increases, you place a marker 1 stitch before the marker for center, k1, then slip the center marker, k1, and place the center marker again, repeat for back, your gusset will always line up.... so WHY wouldn't someone use stitch markers? :baby1: :twitch: :twitch: :twitch: :twitch: :twitch: :twitch:

[romanlili]

I'm dizzy. Any one else dizzy? I need to take some Dramamine.

So Jo and Elf paid for shipping? But Amanda only owes $35 to Elf?

And this is just one problem that we are addressing right? There are a couple more issues aren't there? Or am I just royally confused?

[erinkimberley17]

ok i think i am caught up from last night, for one i asked to pay for ship to jo, she told me not to worry about it because elf covered it, so i on my own bought elf a little something to thank her, it honestly doesnt suprise me that jo took $ and spent it, im with some of the others, wouldnt trust her as far as you can throw her, her and and amanda are like 2 peas in a pod


and yup those are the longies, supposed to be all colorway with cables and was hoping for the legs to be the same size too

[MisanthropeKitty]

Whoa this thread is confusing. I think I got it all figured out though.
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[HealingPixie]

So do lots of people have so much $ in their pp that they can forget they have other peoples money in it and spend it?

[kmz3301]

oooooh. yikes.

Oh, OK. I see it now. I thought one leg was longer in length, not width.

[BeccatheGreat]

If someone would like to PP me, I would gladly spend it for them. Rep me.

[MooseDon'tWearDiapers]

Oh, OK. I see it now. I thought one leg was longer in length, not width.

See, that's what I was thinking too.

[erinkimberley17]

If someone would like to PP me, I would gladly spend it for them. Rep me.


let me send that right over :toofunny:

[mommyof8]

Whoa this thread is confusing. I think I got it all figured out though.
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really? can you enlighten me??? Ive been involved and dont have it figured out yet!


So do lots of people have so much $ in their pp that they can forget they have other peoples money in it and spend it?


i know I dont! It would be really nice to have my OWN money in PP let alone someone elses...

[kmz3301]

Unless I am planning on buying something, I pull my PP money and put it in my bank account.

[MisanthropeKitty]

really? can you enlighten me??? Ive been involved and dont have it figured out yet!


alright heres what i got.

jennie was in contact with amanda and offered to pay shipping for amanda to ship all the yarn to her.
amanda quit talking to jennie and would only talk to jo.
so jennie sent the shipping for all the yarn to jo.
then elf decided she would pay for the shipping to jo.
so jo used the money from elf and refunded jennie.
amanda sent the yarn to jo.
jo asked all the people involved to send her money for shipping to them.
jo also asked that they send a little extra if they could to hopefully pay back elf.
only 3 people did send a little extra.
jo "forgets" about the extra money or maybe decides to keep it since elf has repeatedly said she does not want to be reimbursed.
so jo owes those 3 people their money back that they paid extra.
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here are the 3 owed money back
Kathy paid $7 on top of the actual shipping cost to Steph, and April from CC paid an extra $5, and since I just went back and looked at my pp history I see that purseaddict also paid an extra $5,

[VinhThiMom]

Who would advise her to stay out of the thread? If it's admin or another mod on DS, then why wouldn't they tell you to do the same??? Not being snarky, just genuinely confused!

I haven't caught up, so forgive me if this has been posted, but she asked me if she could tell her side and I advised her that as a mod, she cannot share any details related to mediation or anything she would only know as a mod. I'm sure you all can understand, as we state in mediations that everything is kept private (to prevent the 'lynch mob' mentality, which doesn't seem to be happening here, but it's just one of our rules). Mods are required to not discuss issues which they have confidential details about. If she started discussing these things, she would no longer be a mod on DS.

[Purple]

lets say for instance I (or elf) paid to have your stuff shipped to me..... would you think it would be wierd for me to not only ask you to pay for shipping to get your stuff to you, but to also ask you if you could possibly contribute to reimburse me because if it wernt for me getting your stuff it may have be months longer if at all that you would have seen your stuff. its not like I tried to fanagle money, I asked them to contribute what they thought was fair, I didnt even give them a number I just said if you feel you can contribute then give me what you think is fair. and a few flat out refused (one in particular because her package was a lot bigger than any of the other packages) to pay a single penny more than actual shipping..... but I still shipped thier stuff. the only problem I have apparently is that I didnt send the $ to elf. I thought I did, and I didnt even know there was a problem till tonight, so think its wierd if you want thats fine, I was doing what I thought was right by trying to reimburse elf


why couldn't you just do it out of the goodness of your heart to truly help scammed mommas? I mean wow.

holy crap this whole thing is making me....
http://fresh.forumcircle.com/forumdata/data45/fresh/images/smiles/2198_splitting_headache.gif
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This is officially voted THE most confusing hot seat story unraveling *EVAH*

This is EXACTLY how I feel.

Actually it think it's odd that Kimanalynn would send the stuff to a third party who would then ship it to another person. I also think it's weird that another person (not you nor kimanalyn) paid for the shipping. I would also think it weird for these two other third parties participating (ie you and elf) for asking me to cover money to pay for my items to be sent to me that I was already scammed out of the money the first time. It's all just weird.

And I still don't understand all of the shipping stuff so I'm gonna think outloud for a sec...
elf pays to have items shipped to you
you pay for items to be shipped to rightful owners
you ask money for shipping to rightful owners (even though Elf didn't ask for that) AND to cover elf's cost to ship items to you
some contribute not only the money for shipping to themselves but also for elf
some only pay for their own shipping.

Is this correct?

Personally, if it were me and I was you or elf, and were willing to foot the shipping cost, I would have done it with ZERO expectation of ever seeing that money again. If I were doing it out of the goodness of my heart to help out scammed mama's, I wouldn't dare ask them to be out more money b/c I chose to become involved in a three way shipping extravaganza. But that's just me....
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"for asking me to cover money to pay for my items to be sent to me that I was already scammed out of the money the first time. It's all just weird."


"me" as in the hypothetical Jo just proposed. I am not involved in this IRL

AFREAKINGMEN!

Whoa this thread is confusing. I think I got it all figured out though.
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ok. so help us out LOL.
why do I keep thinking kimalaylaksdjf's name is Kim :sigh: its confusing me a lot.

[MisanthropeKitty]

look up one post violet.
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ok 2 posts

[MotherMoonPads]

If someone would like to PP me, I would gladly spend it for them. Rep me.

:giggle: I could think of a few things to buy too! :err:

No comment on the rest, because even though I've wasted too much of my life reading this entire thread, my head is still spinning.

[Purple]

oh thanks susie.. I get it..

I think? :think:

hmm. I wouldn't pay extra if I was already scammed. Sorry, but nope.

[Catrinau]

Wow.... yeah you can definitely see how messed up those longies are. It's too bad because they would have been very pretty.

[5LilMonkeys]

OK My questions is... where these longies make from the swap on CC?? or somewhere else??

[erinkimberley17]

OK My questions is... where these longies make from the swap on CC?? or somewhere else??


on DS

[Anna1345]

Wow...even I can see the difference and I usually can't. That's bad. :(
Ditto!

Color me confused with the shipping but I am getting that items were shipped twice right.

once from amada to jo right

and then Jo...sent the yarn to the right people..thus shipping again. people sent her money to cover the ship plus elf who sent her 35 to cover the big box.

Going to say it but why should jo be out money to ship yarn back when she's trying to help out other mama's? I know they were scamed and shouldn't be out more but that's on Amanda not Jo to fix. Right?

The way I see it if i am getting everything right is elf paid for the big box and those that sent money to help with that their money should have been cerdited to the shipping from jo to them. and then a bill ass bill sent to amanda to cover it all!

I don't honestly think anyone should out shipping to get their items returned I believe that to be on amanda and if someone over paid than return it sounds like there was a lot of money going in and out of pp and easy to lose track of as well..i geuss never had that much myself.

amanda it sure is a mess and the mess is spilling over to mama's that tried to help you I hope you woman up and fix it sounds like tons of people need refunds sounds like you shouldn't be ordering more things.
Well first, it was up to her. They made the choice to get involved. Because of this, no they shouldn't have to be out the money but they shouldn't be asking for a hand out either. If they didn't want to be out the money, they should have never volunteered to get handle it.

So do lots of people have so much $ in their pp that they can forget they have other peoples money in it and spend it?
Yea right.... :shakehead:

[Isis]

But they had things that were in that box as well if they didn't stand up and try and fix this would they have gotten the yarn back?

I don't it's mess I wouldn't expect other scamed mamas to pay shipping to me if they were trying to help me out. Amanda needs to pay them back for the shipping and well it seems we are a dog fighting over a bone with Jo and forgot who start this cluster fuck and that was amanda....no i don't think it's right still had the money in pp.

[5LilMonkeys]

on DS

OK...

[rmbrasher]

You know, if you use stitch markers from the very beginning, I can't understand HOW you can end up with an uncentered gusset. If you place a marker at center front and center back, and then when you start the gusset increases, you place a marker 1 stitch before the marker for center, k1, then slip the center marker, k1, and place the center marker again, repeat for back, your gusset will always line up.... so WHY wouldn't someone use stitch markers? :baby1: :twitch: :twitch: :twitch: :twitch: :twitch: :twitch:

I often don't use stitch markers because I can never find the darn things... so I often resort to just counting when I get to that spot... Life would be easier with stitch markers. As I'm sure it would be easier with a seam ripper, but I can never find that either...

[shaynelemaster]

So do lots of people have so much $ in their pp that they can forget they have other peoples money in it and spend it?
i wish :toofunny:

[HealingPixie]

I haven't caught up, so forgive me if this has been posted, but she asked me if she could tell her side and I advised her that as a mod, she cannot share any details related to mediation or anything she would only know as a mod. I'm sure you all can understand, as we state in mediations that everything is kept private (to prevent the 'lynch mob' mentality, which doesn't seem to be happening here, but it's just one of our rules). Mods are required to not discuss issues which they have confidential details about. If she started discussing these things, she would no longer be a mod on DS.

But the only problem with that is she is not/was not being asked to divulge any info on anyone but herself and her own actions. So no private mod knowledge would have been shared.

And with that I will try to keep my opinons to myself since I can barely keep up and I have no part of this.

[Sanity]

I often don't use stitch markers because I can never find the darn things... so I often resort to just counting when I get to that spot... Life would be easier with stitch markers. As I'm sure it would be easier with a seam ripper, but I can never find that either...

Maybe it's just me who keeps all her knitting supplies in a gallon size ziploc (and yes, my circs are tangled around each other) so I can find them

[Isis]

Guess someone isn't understanding me....I don't think jo should make money off of others but I don't think she needs to be out cash as well.


Do i agree with her keeping the money no as I have stated with that I am done

[rmbrasher]

Maybe it's just me who keeps all her knitting supplies in a gallon size ziploc (and yes, my circs are tangled around each other) so I can find them

I'm not an organized person as a rule, so I can't find anything in my life. I'm as scattered as scattered can be. I'll find things in random spots all the time. I'm going to be one of those people who end up putting their keys in the freezer...

[Sakura]

Guess someone isn't understanding me....I don't think jo should make money off of others but I don't think she needs to be out cash as well.


Do i agree with her keeping the money no as I have stated with that I am done
Shes not. Nothing that she received was ever truly hers. She spent money that was given to her to reimburse Elf not for any other reason. That is why she owes those mamas refunds because the money did not get to Elf as intended. She would not be out any money since said money would be coming from the 35$ that Elf sent to cover all the shipping costs.
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And she shouldnt be out money? She spent money that wasn't hers to begin with. That alone is shady and I hate to say it but Im ashamed for DS that one of their mods is shady.

[Leininger27]

Anyone else find it awfully convenient that Amanda has been posting like fricking crazy till this thread started and now she has posted like 4 times in 3 days???

Hmm how you sleep at night know this is going on and you are just ignoring it?? That shows how apologetic you really are.

Actions speak WAY louder than words my dear!

[Sakura]

I know she spoke of starting a new job so that may be the case.

[Sanity]

I'm not an organized person as a rule, so I can't find anything in my life. I'm as scattered as scattered can be. I'll find things in random spots all the time. I'm going to be one of those people who end up putting their keys in the freezer...

As long as the milk doesn't end up in the cabinet while the cereal is in the fridge, a dirty bowl under your bed, and your shoes in the hamper, your fine

[shaynelemaster]

I know she spoke of starting a new job so that may be the case.
after this thread started she was still posting on FB

[Isis]

Shes not. Nothing that she received was ever truly hers. She spent money that was given to her to reimburse Elf not for any other reason. That is why she owes those mamas refunds because the money did not get to Elf as intended. She would not be out any money since said money would be coming from the 35$ that Elf sent to cover all the shipping costs.
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And she shouldnt be out money? She spent money that wasn't hers to begin with. That alone is shady and I hate to say it but Im ashamed for DS that one of their mods is shady.
ok i agree with you. part about her being out money is when people implied she should have just shipped everyones stuff to them out of her pocket and not ask them for shipping because they shouldn't be out

I don't agree with her keeping the money I have said time and time again. I agree with you. I just don't think she should be ripped for asking people to pay shipping to themselves and she should have done it out of the kindness of her heart...becuase others were scamed when wasn't she part of the group that was scamed herself. I guess I am missing something here.

Jo keeping money and spending it...wrong don't agree with it.

Jo asking people to pay thier shipping to get their stuff yep i agree with

Amanda in the ends owes all those people their shipping cost
Jo owes refunds

[Sakura]

Hmmmmm now thats fishy.
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No Charise thats not what anyone was saying. They were saying crap about Jo asking for people to contribute to reimburse Elf when Elf never asked her to do that nor did Elf expect it (at least not from the ladies scammed). Not only that but she conveniently forgot to send the money to Elf which ya Im so sure happened. Now these ladies who paid extra that they shouldn't have, have to wait until the end of the month to get their money back because Jo didn't have the forethough to keep money that was not hers in her paypal account.

[erinkimberley17]

interesting that jo disappeared too, looks just as fishy

[Isis]

ok well that wasn't the vibe I got.

and again she should have A sent the money to elf or refunded it or as I stated earlier credited to the mama's to send them their stuff.

Either way in the end we agree....Jo shouldn't have kept the money...as I have stated many times now.

[Sakura]

ok well that wasn't the vibe I got.

and again she should have A sent the money to elf or refunded it or as I stated earlier credited to the mama's to send them their stuff.

Either way in the end we agree....Jo shouldn't have kept the money...as I have stated many times now.
Well that was the vibe I got. Snark not intended :twitch:

[supergirljennie]

Hmmmmm now thats fishy.
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No Charise thats not what anyone was saying. They were saying crap about Jo asking for people to contribute to reimburse Elf when Elf never asked her to do that nor did Elf expect it (at least not from the ladies scammed). Not only that but she conveniently forgot to send the money to Elf which ya Im so sure happened. Now these ladies who paid extra that they shouldn't have, have to wait until the end of the month to get their money back because Jo didn't have the forethough to keep money that was not hers in her paypal account.

To the bolded: it was I asking it for it in the very beginning. You are correct that Elf didn't ask because she was not involved when this whole thing began. I had asked and those people had agreed. That is why Elf would not have had an opinion either way for it.

[Sakura]

To the bolded: it was I asking it for it in the very beginning. You are correct that Elf didn't ask because she was not involved when this whole thing began. I had asked and those people had agreed. That is why Elf would not have had an opinion either way for it.
Ah see that part makes sense now. So it wasn't Jo being fishy at least on that part.

[supergirljennie]

I don't believe that Jo was trying to scam money out of people for the shipping, but I can understand why people who don't know her might think that, kwim?

[*Elf*]

Okay, I'm officially getting confused.

Amanda shipped the package to Jonita. It included Jonita's stuff plus who knows how many other peoples yarn.

Isaacsmomma, purseaddict and ? can't remember who else paid extra above their shipping to them cost. Erin did not because Jonita told her I had covered that cost.

Jonita didn't pay shipping for her stuff because it was covered in the cost of shipping from Amanda to Jonita.

Am I missing anything ? Or is that about right?

Trying my best to simplify just a little and make it more understandable.

[shaynelemaster]

Okay, I'm officially getting confused.

Amanda shipped the package to Jonita. It included Jonita's stuff plus who knows how many other peoples yarn.

Isaacsmomma, purseaddict and ? can't remember who else paid extra above their shipping to them cost. Erin did not because Jonita told her I had covered that cost.

Jonita didn't pay shipping for her stuff because it was covered in the cost of shipping from Amanda to Jonita.

Am I missing anything ? Or is that about right?

Trying my best to simplify just a little and make it more understandable.


Erin did not pay extra. erin paid for her shipping from Jo to her home, and also bought a gift for Elf for her nice gesture but didnt not feel like she should have had to pay shipping twice for her items to get from amanda's house to her house

[erinkimberley17]

i was willing to pay but elf didnt want to take it, so thats why i bought her a pattern she wanted

[Jenny81]

I need a beer.
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And chocolate.





And while we're at it... boobies.

[erinkimberley17]

amanda should have to reimburse everyone and everything, thats all there is to it, and jo should have to refund the people who paid or pay elf, immediately, not have to wait, this has gone on long enough, now can i run my head into a wall?

[Sakura]

I give you permission to do so. I did that last nite while I was trying to wrap my head around this mess. I just had to know wtf was going on LOL.

[*Elf*]

I'm gonna go take a nap with some Tylenol and hope that by the time I wake up, my migraine will be gone and this will all make sense

:deadhorse:

:banghead:

[magpiedpiper]

This thread makes me feel like this - :toocrazy:

[kukukachoo]

Anyone else find it awfully convenient that Amanda has been posting like fricking crazy till this thread started and now she has posted like 4 times in 3 days???

Hmm how you sleep at night know this is going on and you are just ignoring it?? That shows how apologetic you really are.

Actions speak WAY louder than words my dear!

I know she spoke of starting a new job so that may be the case.

If the new job is interfering, I would have said something like, "Hey, I'll be back to this thread as soon as i can, but I have to go to work". Ya know?

[icanonlyimagine]

ok, april refunded, kathy refunded.... purse addict did not in fact pay more than $3 so that covered her shipping. I'm done

[Nikilata]

I just gotta say, that is a crap ton of yarn for it to have cost $35 to ship. I mean a ton of yarn.
Going from West Coast to East Coast it would have to be at least 20lbs to get to around $25 for parcel post. Now that is before insurance but still, that is a ton of yarn.
Not to mention UPS would be cheaper than USPS.
Are you guys sure she charged you the correct amount for shipping?

[TNB]

There have been a couple of other really confusing ones too. They all have one thing in common though. :teehee:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u300/melodyvh/nutz/woolpants.gif

:toofunny: QFT!

alright heres what i got.

jennie was in contact with amanda and offered to pay shipping for amanda to ship all the yarn to her.
amanda quit talking to jennie and would only talk to jo.
so jennie sent the shipping for all the yarn to jo.
then elf decided she would pay for the shipping to jo.
so jo used the money from elf and refunded jennie.
amanda sent the yarn to jo.
jo asked all the people involved to send her money for shipping to them.
jo also asked that they send a little extra if they could to hopefully pay back elf.
only 3 people did send a little extra.
jo "forgets" about the extra money or maybe decides to keep it since elf has repeatedly said she does not want to be reimbursed.
so jo owes those 3 people their money back that they paid extra.
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here are the 3 owed money back

and just when I though that finally! AHA! I got it!...............................................

but I should have stopped there because reading the posts between there and this............

Okay, I'm officially getting confused.

Amanda shipped the package to Jonita. It included Jonita's stuff plus who knows how many other peoples yarn.

Isaacsmomma, purseaddict and ? can't remember who else paid extra above their shipping to them cost. Erin did not because Jonita told her I had covered that cost.

Jonita didn't pay shipping for her stuff because it was covered in the cost of shipping from Amanda to Jonita.

Am I missing anything ? Or is that about right?

Trying my best to simplify just a little and make it more understandable.

Erin did not pay extra. erin paid for her shipping from Jo to her home, and also bought a gift for Elf for her nice gesture but didnt not feel like she should have had to pay shipping twice for her items to get from amanda's house to her house
and I end up right back at .............

http://fresh.forumcircle.com/forumdata/data45/fresh/images/smiles/2198_splitting_headache.gif

[Purple]

dude. Nikki. exactly how I feel LOL

[supergirljennie]

It was I that arranged shipping. We decided that in order to resolve this more quickly, we wanted to ship it priority. That is why the cost of $35 as opposed to less for parcel.

[kukukachoo]

ok, april refunded, kathy refunded.... purse addict did not in fact pay more than $3 so that covered her shipping. I'm done

:clapclap: progress.

[DirtyRepublican]

This thread has made me want to shop for yarn. And I have frikking drawers full, so not like I'm needing any. But all these pictures of the colorways....:drool:

I hope everyone gets what they are owed, and my sympathies with those who were betrayed by a friend. There's no restitution for that.

[Purple]

regardless of all this. Amanda owes someone the $35. plus a ton more. correct?

[Nikilata]

It was I that arranged shipping. We decided that in order to resolve this more quickly, we wanted to ship it priority. That is why the cost of $35 as opposed to less for parcel.

Just for future reference, UPS would have more than likely been cheaper. Always ship heavy things via UPS. Plus they insure the first $100 automatically.

That's still a freaking ton of yarn though!

[shaynelemaster]

This thread has made me want to shop for yarn. And I have frikking drawers full, so not like I'm needing any. But all these pictures of the colorways....:drool:

I hope everyone gets what they are owed, and my sympathies with those who were betrayed by a friend. There's no restitution for that.


thank you

[supergirljennie]

Just for future reference, UPS would have more than likely been cheaper. Always ship heavy things via UPS. Plus they insure the first $100 automatically.

That's still a freaking ton of yarn though!

Gotcha. It was a tall order, trying to get the shipping label to Amanda. I had to buy it, save it to my computer so I email it to Jo who forwarded it to Amanda. It took forever to get Amanda to give us the dimensions of the box and the weight. Like a couple of months.

[snookemz]

ha imagine the convo with UPS - "Yeah, I need to insure this box for $1000"
UPS - "Oh, what are the contents"
"Yarn"
UPS - "Yarn?"
"Well, yeah, hyena cart wool yarn"
UPS -"Who?"
"just insure it"

:toofunny:

anyone outside of the diapering community could NEVER wrap their minds around this whole wool issue. Hell, it blows my mind.

[shaynelemaster]

ha imagine the convo with UPS - "Yeah, I need to insure this box for $1000"
UPS - "Oh, what are the contents"
"Yarn"
UPS - "Yarn?"
"Well, yeah, hyena cart wool yarn"
UPS -"Who?"
"just insure it"

:toofunny:

anyone outside of the diapering community could NEVER wrap their minds around this whole wool issue. Hell, it blows my mind.

:toofunny:

[import_the_best]

Here's to hoping this all gets resolved quickly from this point on...

I'm gonna sing the doom song now...
doom doom doo doom doom
doom doom do DOOM,
doomy doomy doomy
doom doom doo doom doom
doom doom do DOOM,
doomy doomy doomy

:hapdance:

See my avi ;) Gotta love the doom song! :hugegrin:

ha imagine the convo with UPS - "Yeah, I need to insure this box for $1000"
UPS - "Oh, what are the contents"
"Yarn"
UPS - "Yarn?"
"Well, yeah, hyena cart wool yarn"
UPS -"Who?"
"just insure it"

:toofunny:

anyone outside of the diapering community could NEVER wrap their minds around this whole wool issue. Hell, it blows my mind.

:lmao:

[Julie K]

yeah, this has to be the most confusing thread I've ever read.

[Anna1345]

But they had things that were in that box as well if they didn't stand up and try and fix this would they have gotten the yarn back?

I don't it's mess I wouldn't expect other scamed mamas to pay shipping to me if they were trying to help me out. Amanda needs to pay them back for the shipping and well it seems we are a dog fighting over a bone with Jo and forgot who start this cluster ~FARK~ and that was amanda....no i don't think it's right still had the money in pp.I totally understand what you are saying and we completely agree. All my point was that if I were Jo and in her position, I would feel like I shouldn't have to be out any money, however I could never ask mamas who were already scammed to help pay for postage if I CHOSE to get involved and deal with the shipping of said items EVEN IF I was one of those scammed mamas.

And she shouldnt be out money? She spent money that wasn't hers to begin with. That alone is shady and I hate to say it but Im ashamed for DS that one of their mods is shady.I agree with all of this !

Hmmmmm now thats fishy.
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No Charise thats not what anyone was saying. They were saying crap about Jo asking for people to contribute to reimburse Elf when Elf never asked her to do that nor did Elf expect it (at least not from the ladies scammed). Not only that but she conveniently forgot to send the money to Elf which ya Im so sure happened. Now these ladies who paid extra that they shouldn't have, have to wait until the end of the month to get their money back because Jo didn't have the forethough to keep money that was not hers in her paypal account.
This. And fromw hat I understand Elf took over thatshipping payment becsaue she knew she could take the hit where other mams couldn't.

interesting that jo disappeared too, looks just as fishy
Agreed. Being a mod makes it look even more fishy. Aren't mod's supposed to be a 3rd party non biased opinion? At that is how it is on my board. If a mod in personally involved (in this case Jo was scammed too) then said mod would no longer be acting with in the realm of mod duties while trying to resolve difficulties.

To the bolded: it was I asking it for it in the very beginning. You are correct that Elf didn't ask because she was not involved when this whole thing began. I had asked and those people had agreed. That is why Elf would not have had an opinion either way for it.
Yes you are correct b/c out of the goodness of her heart she knew she could take the hit and did NOT ask for money to be sent to her. I believe her own words were "No. why would I [ask for money]?" So yes, she did have an opinion.

I just gotta say, that is a crap ton of yarn for it to have cost $35 to ship. I mean a ton of yarn.
Going from West Coast to East Coast it would have to be at least 20lbs to get to around $25 for parcel post. Now that is before insurance but still, that is a ton of yarn.
Not to mention UPS would be cheaper than USPS.
Are you guys sure she charged you the correct amount for shipping?
Ditto.... Even priority.... It's yarn, how expensive can it be?

regardless of all this. Amanda owes someone the $35. plus a ton more. correct?
Correct

ha imagine the convo with UPS - "Yeah, I need to insure this box for $1000"
UPS - "Oh, what are the contents"
"Yarn"
UPS - "Yarn?"
"Well, yeah, hyena cart wool yarn"
UPS -"Who?"
"just insure it"

:toofunny:

anyone outside of the diapering community could NEVER wrap their minds around this whole wool issue. Hell, it blows my mind.
:toofunny::toofunny:

[erinkimberley17]

jo has never been unbiased, thats the problem with her position has a mod, she doesnt know how to seperate friends and being a mod

[*~*Amanda*~*]

Has she even been back in here?

[Sakura]

She did come back to say she paid some of the mamas back for the shipping money she collected.

[supergirljennie]

Ditto.... Even priority.... It's yarn, how expensive can it be?

You are more than welcome to look up costs. My cost was $36.13 - $29.43 for shipping and $6.70 for $500 worth of insurance.

Package details:
Package/Thick Envelope
Weight:
13 lbs. 0 oz.
Dimensions:
17 X 13 X 13 in

traveling from 75791 to 92840

I must admit that I'm a little miffed I am being questioned for shipping costs. :( This thread has strayed from the fact that Kimanalynn is the reason for all this mess.

[*Elf*]

I'm back but nope even more confusing

:zzz: :tired:

[Sakura]

You are more than welcome to look up costs. My cost was $36.13 - $29.43 for shipping and $6.70 for $500 worth of insurance.

Package details:
Package/Thick Envelope
Weight:
13 lbs. 0 oz.
Dimensions:
17 X 13 X 13 in

traveling from 75791 to 92840

I must admit that I'm a little miffed I am being questioned for shipping costs. :( This thread has strayed from the fact that Kimanalynn is the reason for all this mess.
Not you. Actually its Jo but you seem to be fine answering for her since she didn't come back. It all makes sense now and hopefully thats sorted out now.
Now if Amanda would just come back and state her plan of action then maybe this thread can die out a little.

[erinkimberley17]

You are more than welcome to look up costs. My cost was $36.13 - $29.43 for shipping and $6.70 for $500 worth of insurance.

Package details:
Package/Thick Envelope
Weight:
13 lbs. 0 oz.
Dimensions:
17 X 13 X 13 in

traveling from 75791 to 92840

I must admit that I'm a little miffed I am being questioned for shipping costs. :( This thread has strayed from the fact that Kimanalynn is the reason for all this mess.


yeah i dont think jennie should be the topic of convo here, she did nothing wrong besides to get our stuff back and there was a lot of yarn in that box, adds up
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amanda where are you come out come out wherever you are

[Nikilata]

You are more than welcome to look up costs. My cost was $36.13 - $29.43 for shipping and $6.70 for $500 worth of insurance.

Package details:
Package/Thick Envelope
Weight:
13 lbs. 0 oz.
Dimensions:
17 X 13 X 13 in

traveling from 75791 to 92840

I must admit that I'm a little miffed I am being questioned for shipping costs. :( This thread has strayed from the fact that Kimanalynn is the reason for all this mess.

I wasn't questioning you. I was wondering if the person this thread was about was being honest in what it cost. I thought you guys had sent her paypal to print the label.

I am sorry if you thought I was implying or saying you were being dishonest, I wasn't at all.

[erinkimberley17]

I wasn't questioning you. I was wondering if the person this thread was about was being honest in what it cost. I thought you guys had sent her paypal to print the label.

I am sorry if you thought I was implying or saying you were being dishonest, I wasn't at all.


she never had $ in her hands, the label was paid for and sent to her :)

[*Elf*]

I wasn't questioning you. I was wondering if the person this thread was about was being honest in what it cost. I thought you guys had sent her paypal to print the label.

I am sorry if you thought I was implying or saying you were being dishonest, I wasn't at all.

I'm the one who said how much it cost

Would you like a screen cap of my PP transaction?

[Nikilata]

I'm the one who said how much it cost

Would you like a screen cap of my PP transaction?

Not at all. I don't really care to be honest. I was just concerned that, as I said, cash had been sent to the person to ship it and she was over stating how much shipping was.
I wasn't the only person to think shipping was very high. None of us called any of you trying to help out the other Moms liars, thieves, or anything of the like.
As I said in the post that you quoted, I am sorry if it came across that way.

[icanonlyimagine]

I have no problems answering questions, except for those who I thought were my friends have only wanted to accuse and bash and not ask I stayed out of it as much as I could. imo I said more than I should have and I got heated. but as of this moment I am no longer invovled. I have sent $ to those who have paid it, and I got my stuff from amanda. I'm done. now I need to move on without my "friends" my being a mod on another board has nothing to do with this situation. it was an issue only of sheer forgetfulness, and stress. at the time I was trying to raise my own money so that I could see my family for christmas, as well as collecting money from a coop so there was money going in and out of my pp acct left and right its easy for somone who is completly human to have overlooked it. and I did. I did the right thing and paid those back because until yesterday I didnt even know it hadnt been paid, and for that I apologize. for those not involved I can see how it would be a confusing thing to understand about the shipping and who paid for what and how much and who got shipped what and when, but it made sence to us.... those who WERE actually involved. anyway I apologize to those who are owed an apology from me. I cried myself to sleep last night know the people who I have confided in (including some serious stuff) for the past year have now turned thier back on me, but life goes on right. I've got my BGP on and am totally willing to always do what is right even if no one believes me. I HAVE done what was right and now I'm done.

[*Elf*]

I might to make it larger

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww234/EgoElfWife/kimana.jpg

[Nikilata]

I might to make it larger

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww234/EgoElfWife/kimana.jpg


Why are you posting this? No one asked for it nor did any single person in this thread even once imply you were lying about the cost.

[HealingPixie]

I'm the one who said how much it cost

Would you like a screen cap of my PP transaction?

I am not trying to be rude, but please do not snap at Nikki when she explains what/who she was talking about IN the post you quoted. She was speaking of Amanda. She (as most of us at first) were under the assumption that Amanda said the shipping was $35 and she was just asking if the person who sent her that $ was sure it actually cost that so that they did not lose out on some money. She was saying so in protection of you all not to offend you all.

[*Elf*]

Why are you posting this? No one asked for it nor did any single person in this thread even once imply you were lying about the cost.

I'm sorry I didn't think to refresh before I posted and didn't see your reply

I was the one that originally the one that did bring up the shipping cost and did feel that people were saying that I was not telling the truth about the cost

[Leininger27]

Back to the original topic. Amanda owes people yarn still.

She owes $35shipping for a box shipped to someone else. She owes A LOT of shipping (apparently by the size of the box) to people who were forced to pay their own shipping because Amanda dropped the ball!

She owes a lot of people apologies (and yes if it was me I would be tracking down EVERY.SINGLE.PERSON. and emailing them individually).

It sucks Jo, Jennie, Elf were even brought into this. I get you were trying to help which you did get people their yarn back, but again never should have been your responsibility. This is about AMANDA and AMANDA only. She SCAMMED a lot of people.

Apparently falling off the face of the earth is what she is good at because again she hasn't responded here in 24 hours. I am starting to see a pattern and her 1/2 attempt at an apology to some people here obviously was not heart felt because I sure as shit would be here until it was resolved in its entirety!

[*Elf*]

I am not trying to be rude, but please do not snap at Nikki when she explains what/who she was talking about IN the post you quoted. She was speaking of Amanda. She (as most of us at first) were under the assumption that Amanda said the shipping was $35 and she was just asking if the person who sent her that $ was sure it actually cost that so that they did not lose out on some money. She was saying so in protection of you all not to offend you all.

ok I'm confused again.

It was not my attention to snap at all and I'm sorry that it appears that I did. I'm a very serious person so I asked that very factually.

The money was never sent to Amanda, which was where my confusion about the questions regarding shipping comes in.

[Anna1345]

Why are you posting this? No one asked for it nor did any single person in this thread even once imply you were lying about the cost.
This.

jo has never been unbiased, thats the problem with her position has a mod, she doesnt know how to seperate friends and being a mod
Well that is for DS to deal with.

She did come back to say she paid some of the mamas back for the shipping money she collected.
Was it Kimanalynn or Jo?? I cna't remember which one but one of them came back and said they refunded some one.

You are more than welcome to look up costs. My cost was $36.13 - $29.43 for shipping and $6.70 for $500 worth of insurance.

Package details:
Package/Thick Envelope
Weight:
13 lbs. 0 oz.
Dimensions:
17 X 13 X 13 in

traveling from 75791 to 92840

I must admit that I'm a little miffed I am being questioned for shipping costs. :( This thread has strayed from the fact that Kimanalynn is the reason for all this mess.
I'm not doubting how much you actually paid. All I'm saying is that I sent a box bigger and heavier then that to the tune of 18 pounds to Tx from MI for $20.40 and it included DC. just saying, I would NOT spend $35 to ship yarn. I wouldn't't have chose to ship it priority... I'm not doubting what you paid, I, personally, just owuldn't have paid that much.

We'll get back to discussing Kimanalynn when she comes back to update on her progress of what she has done to rectify this situation. There is now a running list of what she needs to do. I don't know if she's actually reamidied it at all.

[Mom]

ok I'm confused again.

It was not my attention to snap at all and I'm sorry that it appears that I did. I'm a very serious person so I asked that very factually.

The money was never sent to Amanda, which was where my confusion about the questions regarding shipping comes in.

It's ok. Tone can't be read. No one is upset we see what you said after you posted the pic.

[HealingPixie]

ok I'm confused again.

It was not my attention to snap at all and I'm sorry that it appears that I did. I'm a very serious person so I asked that very factually.

The money was never sent to Amanda, which was where my confusion about the questions regarding shipping comes in.

Thank you and I think we are all up to date now that the shipping label was paid and sent to her and that $ was not sent to her. That is good.

[*Elf*]

This.


Well that is for DS to deal with.


Was it Kimanalynn or Jo?? I cna't remember which one but one of them came back and said they refunded some one.


I'm not doubting how much you actually paid. All I'm saying is that I sent a box bigger and heavier then that to the tune of 18 pounds to Tx from MI for $20.40 and it included DC. just saying, I would NOT spend $35 to ship yarn. I wouldn't't have chose to ship it priority... I'm not doubting what you paid, I, personally, just owuldn't have paid that much.

We'll get back to discussing Kimanalynn when she comes back to update on her progress of what she has done to rectify this situation. There is now a running list of what she needs to do. I don't know if she's actually reamidied it at all.

it was Jo, Kimanalynn hasn't been back in a bit

[erinkimberley17]

Back to the original topic. Amanda owes people yarn still.

She owes $35shipping for a box shipped to someone else. She owes A LOT of shipping (apparently by the size of the box) to people who were forced to pay their own shipping because Amanda dropped the ball!

She owes a lot of people apologies (and yes if it was me I would be tracking down EVERY.SINGLE.PERSON. and emailing them individually).

It sucks Jo, Jennie, Elf were even brought into this. I get you were trying to help which you did get people their yarn back, but again never should have been your responsibility. This is about AMANDA and AMANDA only. She SCAMMED a lot of people.

Apparently falling off the face of the earth is what she is good at because again she hasn't responded here in 24 hours. I am starting to see a pattern and her 1/2 attempt at an apology to some people here obviously was not heart felt because I sure as ~POOP~ would be here until it was resolved in its entirety!


:werd:


and I LOVE the new background

[Anna1345]

It's ok. Tone can't be read. No one is upset we see what you said after you posted the pic.
This. No harm,no foul.

it was Jo, Kimanalynn hasn't been back in a bit
Yea I went back and checked. It was Jo.

Has Kimanalynn even been on today at all?

[Stephy]

Back to the original topic. Amanda owes people yarn still.

She owes $35shipping for a box shipped to someone else. She owes A LOT of shipping (apparently by the size of the box) to people who were forced to pay their own shipping because Amanda dropped the ball!

She owes a lot of people apologies (and yes if it was me I would be tracking down EVERY.SINGLE.PERSON. and emailing them individually).

It sucks Jo, Jennie, Elf were even brought into this. I get you were trying to help which you did get people their yarn back, but again never should have been your responsibility. This is about AMANDA and AMANDA only. She SCAMMED a lot of people.

Apparently falling off the face of the earth is what she is good at because again she hasn't responded here in 24 hours. I am starting to see a pattern and her 1/2 attempt at an apology to some people here obviously was not heart felt because I sure as ~POOP~ would be here until it was resolved in its entirety!

this

[BuggaBuggaBoutique]

ha imagine the convo with UPS - "Yeah, I need to insure this box for $1000"
UPS - "Oh, what are the contents"
"Yarn"
UPS - "Yarn?"
"Well, yeah, hyena cart wool yarn"
UPS -"Who?"
"just insure it"

:toofunny:

anyone outside of the diapering community could NEVER wrap their minds around this whole wool issue. Hell, it blows my mind.



:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:


:err::shakehead:

[BeccatheGreat]

She hasn't been on since around 10 last night.

[Mrs.Nicolian]

Geese, indeed. This is insane!!

[Anna1345]

Okay some one rep me the geese analogy. I've seen it on a few threads... :err:

[*Elf*]

Okay some one rep me the geese analogy. I've seen it on a few threads... :err:

me too please :looky:

[erinkimberley17]

:popcorn: waiting for amanda

andbody have a soda, this popcorn is making me thirsty

[megameg]

There's a thread in "Board Questions" titled "WHAT'S UP WITH THE OBSENITIES???". To make an incredibly long thread short, the OP said "geese" instead of "geez" and, well, you know how CDN can get with awesome opportunities like that! That thread, IMO, is required reading of CDN 101. :)

[supergirljennie]

Ditto, clue me in on the geese please :D
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Ah got it - thank you!

[megameg]

There's a thread in "Board Questions" titled "WHAT'S UP WITH THE OBSENITIES???". To make an incredibly long thread short, the OP said "geese" instead of "geez" and, well, you know how CDN can get with awesome opportunities like that! That thread, IMO, is required reading of CDN 101. :)

Sorry, meant to quote Anna and point out that I was adding to the main thread because more were sure to follow asking. :)

[*Elf*]

There's a thread in "Board Questions" titled "WHAT'S UP WITH THE OBSENITIES???". To make an incredibly long thread short, the OP said "geese" instead of "geez" and, well, you know how CDN can get with awesome opportunities like that! That thread, IMO, is required reading of CDN 101. :)

I got lost at about post 40 :teehee:

yup that's sad

[nkotbfan]

:popcorn: waiting for amanda

andbody have a soda, this popcorn is making me thirsty

I have some Ginger Ale.... that's all I can seem to keep down at the moment! :puke: I'll be more than happy to share! :cheers:
BTW, I have been lurking since last night, and it's taken me that long to read through this mess.... and I hope the best for everyone involved!

[isaacsmomma]

lets say for instance I (or elf) paid to have your stuff shipped to me..... would you think it would be wierd for me to not only ask you to pay for shipping to get your stuff to you, but to also ask you if you could possibly contribute to reimburse me because if it wernt for me getting your stuff it may have be months longer if at all that you would have seen your stuff. its not like I tried to fanagle money, I asked them to contribute what they thought was fair, I didnt even give them a number I just said if you feel you can contribute then give me what you think is fair. and a few flat out refused (one in particular because her package was a lot bigger than any of the other packages) to pay a single penny more than actual shipping..... but I still shipped thier stuff. the only problem I have apparently is that I didnt send the $ to elf. I thought I did, and I didnt even know there was a problem till tonight, so think its wierd if you want thats fine, I was doing what I thought was right by trying to reimburse elf
I appreciate everything that was done to get the yarn back. It was a long process and several of us were involved at different levels. I think Amanda should pay shipping to Jo and shipping back to all of us. However at the time I was very willing to pay shipping to me as well as what I thought was about my share of the big box shipping cost. That expense needs to be Amanda's but if it had not been paid we would not have that yarn back. Jo had no way of knowing Elf was going to send that money. Elf was not involved with Amanda in this issue. She is just a friendly, giving kind of lady. I paid several hours before Elf sent that money to Jo. Also I did not know until last night that Elf had paid that. Good deeds done in secret earn more crowns. Elf and I talk a lot and she never mentioned it. I am sorry Jo forgot to forward what we sent to help cover the expense to Elf, but like I said, I was unaware of it.


Actually it think it's odd that Kimanalynn would send the stuff to a third party who would then ship it to another person. I also think it's weird that another person (not you nor kimanalyn) paid for the shipping. I would also think it weird for these two other third parties participating (ie you and elf) for asking me to cover money to pay for my items to be sent to me that I was already scammed out of the money the first time. It's all just weird.

And I still don't understand all of the shipping stuff so I'm gonna think outloud for a sec...
elf pays to have items shipped to you
you pay for items to be shipped to rightful owners
you ask money for shipping to rightful owners (even though Elf didn't ask for that) AND to cover elf's cost to ship items to you
some contribute not only the money for shipping to themselves but also for elf
some only pay for their own shipping.

Is this correct?

Personally, if it were me and I was you or elf, and were willing to foot the shipping cost, I would have done it with ZERO expectation of ever seeing that money again. If I were doing it out of the goodness of my heart to help out scammed mama's, I wouldn't dare ask them to be out more money b/c I chose to become involved in a three way shipping extravaganza. But that's just me....
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"for asking me to cover money to pay for my items to be sent to me that I was already scammed out of the money the first time. It's all just weird."

"me" as in the hypothetical Jo just proposed. I am not involved in this IRLCan I ask what you DS name is? Trying to keep things as stariaght as I can. I feel certain Elf never expected to see a penny of that money back. But since some was paid by a couple of us it does rightfully belong to Elf. Someone paid the shipping cost to get the big box back. It shouldn't have been one person's responsibility. I do not mind paying part of it and that is why I sent some money. My yarn value was $100.00 so I was willing to spend a little to get it back. It took so long I had almost given up on ever seeing it. AMANDA is the bad gal here. We are being distracted from the big picture.

It was me who originally proposed the plan. I offered to pay for shipping it all to me, because at that point all anyone wanted was to get their yarn back. Amanda said she had no money available for shipping, so that was the plan. At some point Amanda decided not to communicate with me anymore and was only responding to Jo, so that's where it went. I had the money and Jo didn't, so I paid. We had mentioned beforehand asking those involved to contribute to shipping to me (then Jo) costs, and those we spoke to were amiable to that.

For whatever reason, out of the kindness of Elf's heart, she decided to cover shipping, which she sent to Jo who forwarded it to me, as the money came out of my fund. Thus, any funds recouped would go to Elf.

It sounds much more complicated than it actually was, honestly.
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Clarified - Elf covered shipping after I had paid.Amen sister and it was after I paid also!

So to recap
Jennie is owed yarn to send to an auction winner
Erin is owed a refund of some sort for having to pay another knitter to fix Amandas mistake
Mommyof8 is owed a refund or yarn
Amanda owes Elf 35$ for shipping
I know there are more people involved so please feel free to add to it. It may be better if some type of list of everything is made so Amanda knows who to make amends to as this thread is extremely confusing.

I am owed shipping cost to return my yarn to me. Confused as to exactly what that amount needs to be though.

I had originally requested from those who knew the plan if they would be willing to contribute to shipping of the big box. Jo was making the attempts to collect on my behalf, originally, before Elf stepped in.Amen again! I think no ill thought were intended.

just wanted to add that is the package size FRB Jo shipped in to me and the cost from Jo to me was 11.00 . but the pic I posted was not of her postage as I didn`t look and took a pic of the wrong label my falt I just wanted to show that yes they do cost 11 to ship that size frb.
why am I posting this because I am getting YIM`ed about it and its not even relevant

the pic is not the label from jo to me
that is the box size used and pic was to show that yes frb in that size are 11.00 and that is the size box i recieved from Jo there was about 2pounds of yarn I didn`t weigh the yarn but it was packed full of yarn
end of storyI do not remember what the exact cost was to ship the yarn to Stephy, instead of to me. But As Jo requested and I have stated before, I added an amount not remembering exactly what each portion was and paypaled Jonita.

oh thanks susie.. I get it..

I think? :think:

hmm. I wouldn't pay extra if I was already scammed. Sorry, but nope.I had a large investment in yarn and felt it was worth it to get my yarn back.

But they had things that were in that box as well if they didn't stand up and try and fix this would they have gotten the yarn back?

I don't it's mess I wouldn't expect other scamed mamas to pay shipping to me if they were trying to help me out. Amanda needs to pay them back for the shipping and well it seems we are a dog fighting over a bone with Jo and forgot who start this cluster ~FARK~ and that was amanda....no i don't think it's right still had the money in pp.

Guess someone isn't understanding me....I don't think jo should make money off of others but I don't think she needs to be out cash as well.


Do i agree with her keeping the money no as I have stated with that I am doneAnd yet again, amen but I do not feel like she planned to make money!

ok i agree with you. part about her being out money is when people implied she should have just shipped everyones stuff to them out of her pocket and not ask them for shipping because they shouldn't be out

I don't agree with her keeping the money I have said time and time again. I agree with you. I just don't think she should be ripped for asking people to pay shipping to themselves and she should have done it out of the kindness of her heart...becuase others were scamed when wasn't she part of the group that was scamed herself. I guess I am missing something here.

Jo keeping money and spending it...wrong don't agree with it.

Jo asking people to pay thier shipping to get their stuff yep i agree with

Amanda in the ends owes all those people their shipping cost
Jo owes refunds[/ QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sakura;945296]Ah see that part makes sense now. So it wasn't Jo being fishy at least on that part.

I don't believe that Jo was trying to scam money out of people for the shipping, but I can understand why people who don't know her might think that, kwim?Okay I won't say it again but you know where I stand, right!

You are more than welcome to look up costs. My cost was $36.13 - $29.43 for shipping and $6.70 for $500 worth of insurance.

Package details:
Package/Thick Envelope
Weight:
13 lbs. 0 oz.
Dimensions:
17 X 13 X 13 in

traveling from 75791 to 92840

I must admit that I'm a little miffed I am being questioned for shipping costs. :( This thread has strayed from the fact that Kimanalynn is the reason for all this mess.Me, too. I think when this transfered forums things got out of hand. When it was just on DS it was easily understood for the most part. I understand the need for it to be known on CDN but too many inputting that are no invovled has muddied the water terribly.

I have no problems answering questions, except for those who I thought were my friends have only wanted to accuse and bash and not ask I stayed out of it as much as I could. imo I said more than I should have and I got heated. but as of this moment I am no longer invovled. I have sent $ to those who have paid it, and I got my stuff from amanda. I'm done. now I need to move on without my "friends" my being a mod on another board has nothing to do with this situation. it was an issue only of sheer forgetfulness, and stress. at the time I was trying to raise my own money so that I could see my family for christmas, as well as collecting money from a coop so there was money going in and out of my pp acct left and right its easy for somone who is completly human to have overlooked it. and I did. I did the right thing and paid those back because until yesterday I didnt even know it hadnt been paid, and for that I apologize. for those not involved I can see how it would be a confusing thing to understand about the shipping and who paid for what and how much and who got shipped what and when, but it made sence to us.... those who WERE actually involved. anyway I apologize to those who are owed an apology from me. I cried myself to sleep last night know the people who I have confided in (including some serious stuff) for the past year have now turned thier back on me, but life goes on right. I've got my BGP on and am totally willing to always do what is right even if no one believes me. I HAVE done what was right and now I'm done.Hugs for a situation out of control and totally lost all focus.

Back to the original topic. Amanda owes people yarn still.

She owes $35shipping for a box shipped to someone else. She owes A LOT of shipping (apparently by the size of the box) to people who were forced to pay their own shipping because Amanda dropped the ball!

She owes a lot of people apologies (and yes if it was me I would be tracking down EVERY.SINGLE.PERSON. and emailing them individually).

It sucks Jo, Jennie, Elf were even brought into this. I get you were trying to help which you did get people their yarn back, but again never should have been your responsibility. This is about AMANDA and AMANDA only. She SCAMMED a lot of people.

Apparently falling off the face of the earth is what she is good at because again she hasn't responded here in 24 hours. I am starting to see a pattern and her 1/2 attempt at an apology to some people here obviously was not heart felt because I sure as ~POOP~ would be here until it was resolved in its entirety!

[isaacsmomma]

I received money from Jonita. Seven dollars but if it cost 11.00 to send my yarn to Stephy then I was not due 7. I paid 16.15. What now?

[icanonlyimagine]

I was only going by what I quoted you. I quoted a certain price, you paid, but the shipping ended up being more than that I'm perfectly willing (as I should be) to eat the difference because it was more than I quoted. its fine, lets just leave it........... plus you have already been more tha generous and gracious as a friend and a customer so I'm fine :hugs:

[CowgirlMomma]

I have some Ginger Ale.... that's all I can seem to keep down at the moment! :puke: I'll be more than happy to share! :cheers:
BTW, I have been lurking since last night, and it's taken me that long to read through this mess.... and I hope the best for everyone involved!

I have some Sprite! I'll trade for some popcorn! I've been lurking too and I really hope kimanalynn/Amanda comes back and makes this all right!

[BuggaBuggaBoutique]

me too

[kmz3301]

:needcoffee: I need more to get all this.

[Sanity]

ha imagine the convo with UPS - "Yeah, I need to insure this box for $1000"
UPS - "Oh, what are the contents"
"Yarn"
UPS - "Yarn?"
"Well, yeah, hyena cart wool yarn"
UPS -"Who?"
"just insure it"

:toofunny:

anyone outside of the diapering community could NEVER wrap their minds around this whole wool issue. Hell, it blows my mind.

QFT!

[kimanalynn]

OK, I'm here. I had an appointment today; I was gone all day; I'm working right now but I was trying to get caught up on this thread to get involved. I hve no idea what's oging on with shipping; I'll have to be back in a bit ...

[kukukachoo]

kimanalyn, good thing you have that "post and run" disclaimer in your siggie. oh, and you may want to take the ISO off for now- just sayin'

[cowboycadesmomma]

:holycow: :errr: :twitch::sigh::shrug::scratch::banghead:
Oh mylanta......Amanda seems so scarce now.

[Leininger27]

OK, I'm here. I had an appointment today; I was gone all day; I'm working right now but I was trying to get caught up on this thread to get involved. I hve no idea what's oging on with shipping; I'll have to be back in a bit ...

WTF that is all we get. Are you fricking kidding me right now. :speechless:

[Lolanae]

Things that rub me very wrong about all this:

- Amanda owes folks stuff/money
- Amanda has not addressed the multiple usernames on CC
- Amanda owes folks money put has spent money on an MM co-op, put in interest in another one, and has an ISO for more yarn.
- Amanda posted a BUNCH since coming back here (Right about when the shit hit the fan on DS), but seems to be super busy now. (Possibly a new job, but folks said she's posting on FB.)
- No real answers for some of these situations.

[Anna1345]

There's a thread in "Board Questions" titled "WHAT'S UP WITH THE OBSENITIES???". To make an incredibly long thread short, the OP said "geese" instead of "geez" and, well, you know how CDN can get with awesome opportunities like that! That thread, IMO, is required reading of CDN 101. :)
Gotcha -- I stopped reading that thread about 2 pages in .... lol

kimanalyn, good thing you have that "post and run" disclaimer in your siggie. oh, and you may want to take the ISO off for now- just sayin'
I was thinking the EXACT same thing.

WTF that is all we get. Are you fricking kidding me right now. :speechless:
Again, thought the EXACT same thing just before scrolling down a bit to see her post and run disclaimer.

Things that rub me very wrong about all this:

- Amanda owes folks stuff/money
- Amanda has not addressed the multiple usernames on CC
- Amanda owes folks money put has spent money on an MM co-op, put in interest in another one, and has an ISO for more yarn.
- Amanda posted a BUNCH since coming back here (Right about when the ~POOP~ hit the fan on DS), but seems to be super busy now. (Possibly a new job, but folks said she's posting on FB.)
- No real answers for some of these situations.
FB can be posted on with a cell phone. It is very possible she is at work and can post to F B with her cell.....

[shaynelemaster]

her posts dont show as being from a mobile device

and she works from home as a medical transcriptionist

[Lolanae]

That mobile device tag gets folks everytime.

I'm all for seeing the good in folks, and want to believe that Amanda will make it right, but as this goes along, her disregarding some parts just looks....well, bad.

[megameg]

That mobile device tag gets folks everytime.

I'm all for seeing the good in folks, and want to believe that Amanda will make it right, but as this goes along, her disregarding some parts just looks....well, bad.

The "mobile device" tag doesn't necessarily show up. When I browse CDN on my phone, I have it set to use the default skin instead of the mobile skin, and that tag doesn't appear on posts not made on the mobile skin.

[shaynelemaster]

well i can say that in the last 6m or more of being her friend or having mutual friends on FB i have never seen anything posted from a mobile device ( with the icon )

and wouldnt a web enabled phone ease alot of the issues cause she would have been able to be in contact with people even though she did not have an actual computer hooked up with cable internet?

[Sakura]

Not necessarily. My phone has web browsing capabilities but I could not log into DS and now I can't view CDN mobile where as before I could.

[Lolanae]

Meg - Didn't know that. =)

[mommyof8]

OK, I'm here. I had an appointment today; I was gone all day; I'm working right now but I was trying to get caught up on this thread to get involved. I hve no idea what's oging on with shipping; I'll have to be back in a bit ...


REALLY?!? That is all we get?? wow. I saw this last night and went to bed assuming you were reading and catching up and I would find a response in the morning...but alas....NOTHING. Lemme make this CLEAR for you so you dont get confused about my issue with you again-

You owe me $100 PP or Hyena Yarn your choice.

I would say $50 + MY yarn but we all know you dont HAVE MY yarn anymore. :sigh:

[Sanity]

FB can be posted on with a cell phone. It is very possible she is at work and can post to F B with her cell.....

I was just going to mention that.... MANY times I can't be here from work because there are calls in queue, but no one knows if I'm using my personal phone to access FB, which is easier to navigate on mobile than CDN
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Not necessarily. My phone has web browsing capabilities but I could not log into DS and now I can't view CDN mobile where as before I could.

Also, CDN mobile constantly logs me out and makes me log back in when I visit, which I hate, so I don't come here from my phone unless I have no other choice

[celticknot12]

Ok, also new here but have been chatting with the swapper ladies on DS for some time. I considered Amanda a friend as well.

When my customs list was full I referred a mama to her to have some knitting done. That mama was caught in all this mess and I couldn't feel more awful. I believe that in the end her dealing with Amanda were resolved as much as they can be, but I wanted to add her to the list.

Here is her conclusion:

"She did FINALLY get back to me....but the longies she said only needed a cuff really needed to be done (only the waist and part of the bum were done)...but I did get my yarn back.

It took a LONG time to get them back and I know there were several mama's on here just wanting their yarn back as well.

Thanks for checking with me....I was disappointed as she had my yarn for about 3 1/2 months and I decided to just sell the yarn and take a loss as I wasn't sure what to do with what she sent me!"


I know this situation needs no action at this point, but it serves to point out that more people were touched by this mess than the ones who posted here so far. I believe the yarn this mama send was 92 bucks worth of MM scrappies and she spent over 3 months thinking she was out that cash. Bummer all around.

Also, this seems like a nice board and I'm impressed with the way you ladies interact. Thanks!

[kimanalynn]

Ok, I am going to be contacting individuals today to get things worked out. I would like to say that I am not offering excuses. I did what I did; I own it, I screwed up. I wish that I could go back and fix it, but I can't. the best that I can do right now is fix it right now, and that is what I'm trying to do. I still haven't figured out the shipping thing, but I will work on it. I know that whatever I do to try to make up for this doesn't make it better but I am doing what I can.

[romanlili]

Ok, I am going to be contacting individuals today to get things worked out. I would like to say that I am not offering excuses. I did what I did; I own it, I screwed up. I wish that I could go back and fix it, but I can't. the best that I can do right now is fix it right now, and that is what I'm trying to do. I still haven't figured out the shipping thing, but I will work on it. I know that whatever I do to try to make up for this doesn't make it better but I am doing what I can.

I hope you are keeping the mods and admin here in the loop. It's really important in these types of situations to keep them WELL informed. Because unfortunately, we can't just take your word for it.

[Shaineinok]

Amanda I suggest as you work each thing out you come here to document, the other party can too. Keep it simple

Something like
EXAMPLE
(momof8 accepted xxxx in repayment. I sent XXXX on this date. DC# or paypal reciept to verify)

[kimanalynn]

Ok, thanks for the tip

[kbrooks24]

Has anyone composed a list for Amanda of who exactly/what exactly/how much exactly she owes to each person? Maybe that may make things a little bit easier so she can mark off what she's done with and see how much more she needs to do? Forgive me if this has already been done.

[pinkebody]

Amanda I suggest as you work each thing out you come here to document, the other party can too. Keep it simple

Something like
EXAMPLE
(momof8 accepted xxxx in repayment. I sent XXXX on this date. DC# or paypal reciept to verify)

I agree, that way people will see you are standing by your word.

[Shaineinok]

Has anyone composed a list for Amanda of who exactly/what exactly/how much exactly she owes to each person? Maybe that may make things a little bit easier so she can mark off what she's done with and see how much more she needs to do? Forgive me if this has already been done.

No I don't think there is one.. As far as I can tell no one is totally sure of who should be on the list. We get something new every day. I would be happy to let someone compile and go from there. I do think it would help.

[Leininger27]

Has anyone composed a list for Amanda of who exactly/what exactly/how much exactly she owes to each person? Maybe that may make things a little bit easier so she can mark off what she's done with and see how much more she needs to do? Forgive me if this has already been done.

I think the problem is she screwed so many people SHE can't keep it straight. There are new people that pop up every.single.day!

[Mom]

Amanda,

I need to know the following.

Why did you have more than one user name at CC?

And are your partners there out anything?

[kimanalynn]

I made another username at CC because I knew of the MM coop coming up; I wanted some boy yarn. I never had any intention whatsoever of joining in any swaps or trades, anywhere. I've returned April there her yarn, and I've this morning sent her a PM there apologizing to her for the way things were handled on my part, and asking her if there is anything I can do to make it up to her.

[romanlili]

I made another username at CC because I knew of the MM coop coming up; I wanted some boy yarn. I never had any intention whatsoever of joining in any swaps or trades, anywhere. I've returned April there her yarn, and I've this morning sent her a PM there apologizing to her for the way things were handled on my part, and asking her if there is anything I can do to make it up to her.

Wait, hold up. So you made a new CC name because you wanted to join a co-op that you knew they would never have let you join to begin with?

Wow!

[BuggaBuggaBoutique]

:shakehead:

[kimanalynn]

I didn't try, I didn't know if I would or not. I knew that at that point April had her yarn back.

[Lolanae]

Why buy more yarn when you still owe folks stuff? That's what I really don't get. I understand wanting things for the new babe...but really...get yourself out of the hole first. That's the logical thought process, right?

[~LiLaC~]

Why buy more yarn when you still owe folks stuff? That's what I really don't get. I understand wanting things for the new babe...but really...get yourself out of the hole first. That's the logical thought process, right?

Logical only if you actually want to make things right....